api Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Sony has introduced two new models in their Cine Alta-series of cameras, F5 and F55. F5 is a significant upgrade over F3. F55 is positioned below F65 in the product line. The audio inputs and timecode are on separate modules. IMHO, they really did their homework on this one. I think that these will sell like hot cakes. To quote: "The connections you need The camera offers vital connections, including four HD-SDI jacks, HDMI®, USB, DC IN connection, a removable XLR audio module and a removable time code/genlock module. The XLR inputs accept balanced analog signals, provide 48-Volt phantom power and will accept four channels of AES/EBU digital audio with an expected firmware upgrade." www.sony.com/35mm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TimPitot Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 No sign of the XLR module yet and no price information either. It does look quite good though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael McQueen Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 I saw $18k for F5 and $50k for f55 on Philip bloom's site Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Here's one of the many online summaries of the cameras with some pix: http://www.studiodaily.com/2012/10/sony-reveals-f5-and-f55-cinealta-4k-cameras/ A paragraph from that article: ===== Pricing and Availability Wondering how much all this will cost? So are we. Sony says both cameras are slated to ship in February 2013, with pricing to be announced. That gives them some time to figure out what the market will bear, but it's clear that Sony's prices will be determined in large part by what the competition is doing. Consider that the F55 is aimed pretty squarely at the same market as the Red Epic and the Canon C500, while the F5 is targeting the Red Scarlet and the Canon 1DX, to get an idea where the prices are likely to fall. ===== Bloom's guess/quote/whatever sounds about right. But will be interesting to see what price Sony settles on. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
api Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 No sign of the XLR module yet and no price information either. It does look quite good though. Could it be that the audio module and timecode module are actually included in the price? Maybe they are removable just to make room for a 3D rig setup? In this picture there appears to be some sort of module between the camera and the battery: pic.twitter.com/RGPCiVkO Those look like 4 pin Sony style connectors though, not XLR3 connectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
api Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Those look like 4 pin Sony style connectors though, not XLR3 connectors. Ahh, found another picture.. they are just hirose style aux power out connectors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
api Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 Ahh, here we go! That's where the XLR connectors will be: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 fan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 fan... Yes. A big gaping hole with huge teeth. I can hear it from this picture alone. FFVVVvvvvVV There's this horrible monitor that Sony makes that has a fan in it. Looks just like this one. And is it just me or does it look a bit skewed right there at the fan? The SDI connector and the hirose on top seems.... photoshopped. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 on winter exterior shoots, the director can warm his hands by the fan.. if he wears ear protection... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 The AC will have fabulous hair though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
api Posted October 30, 2012 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 That's an early prototype. The shipping version will not have the fan on the external recorder visible like that. I'm not sure if there is a fan on the camera body or not. They did say that they have worked on thermal issues, so my guess is that this will be one of the more silent S35 form factor cameras... especially if used without the external recorder module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 (edited) " seems.... photoshopped. " often the images of products in development are of prototype models, and/or manipulated... Edited October 30, 2012 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 The fan is scary but folks, give it up to a company that doesn't invent new connectors for standard signals and doesn't park them in really oddball configs. (Many C300 owners are in denial about how weird that audio+monitor module really is....) philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 fan... It's not a fan, it's bubble machine for SFX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 " seems.... photoshopped. " often the images of products in development are of models, and/or manipulated... I thought that camera looked a lot like Kate Upton. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 A bigger fan means it doesn't need to spin as fast to push the same quantity of air. The small fan on the epic's the main reason it's so loud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted October 30, 2012 Report Share Posted October 30, 2012 On second thoughts, it looks about the same size as the epic's fan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 They need to have the fan mounted in the rear of the camera.It would help sound........HA------or put a "hoody" on it that directed the blowing air and fan noise out the back J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 They need to have the fan mounted in the rear of the camera.It would help sound........HA J.D. The Epic needs to have its fan mounted in a different room -- preferably, several blocks away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 True................ J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Some panic has descended on the Red Camera community because of the Sony announcement. Red is about to drop the prices on the Epic and Scarlet cameras as of October 31st, which they chalk up to "manufacturing efficiencies." My guess is that they'll slash about 20% off current prices just to keep the cameras competitive with Sony's products. People who have bought $40,000 Red Epic's in the last six months are not happy about it, but new owners are understandably pleased. Price Cuts Announced by Jim Jannard Analysis by NoFilmSchool My take is that Red is irritated that they're being nibbled on the low end by what they feel are cheap, inferior cameras like the Sony F3 (and the new F5), while being challenged by expensive cameras like the Alexa and the F65. And I know they're flummoxed by the Alexa pretty much taking over the American episodic TV production business. They could conceivably get caught in the squeeze inbetween. Note that the Sony F65 is about to get a firmware upgrade to 8K (!!!), which I guess makes it the best camera. More pixels are better, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 8K in SDHC cards please... lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 Even without the Epic price drop, they still are Nr1 in price/spec. We could also see RED's moove as kikking the ass of some fat boys that want to over charge the film community. Who will want to spend more than 50'000 for a 4k camera today? I wonder how the Delta can survive this? Hope Beauviala has a lot of fans to seel his (beautiful) 120'000$ cam. True that this moove is more in favor of the renter and the one who wants to buy an Epic, than the renting houses and the one that have allready bought their Epic. I'm not afraid for RED. I am afraid to tell you, there will be some RED cameras around for a long time. Pat Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 31, 2012 Report Share Posted October 31, 2012 " the Alexa pretty much taking over the American episodic TV production business. " and the major commercials... and moving into major features as well... " kikking the ass of some fat boys that want to over charge the film community. " err who is reducing their price by 20% ?? = who was charging 20% too much ?? meanwhile, Panavision is making themselves over into a rental house for digital cameras, and pushing the superiority of their lenses... their representatives told me that Alexa's are the most rented, followed by Sony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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