treckson Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I have the MK012's and they are ok for drum overheads and the like but not so great on dialog. I went through a number of the Russian mics to find a pair that sounded close. The Audix has more reach, sounds good on dialog with less gain, is more uniform from mic to mic and is my go to for uncertain int situations. Obviously, cmc641 is the king but also needs to be treated as royalty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Royalty? If you are speaking of ruggedness then I think you have it backwards--my Schoeps mics (all from the mid 1980s) have outlasted nearly all of the rest of my sound gear. They will certainly take more abuse than any Oktava mic. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I have four of the Oktava MK012s, with cardioid capsules. All four mics were hand-selected by me to match. All four of the preamps have been modified for improved highs and transients. I also have some super-cardioid capsules for them. I find that the super-cardioid capsules have a little less highs than the cardioids (which is borne out by Oktava's published response curves). The Oktavas, with a cardioid capsule, sound surprisingly close to a Schoeps under controlled conditions. However, on a typical location, putting both up and comparing, I find that an Oktava doesn't come close to a Schoeps. I've used them together on a couple of occasions -- once in a room with tight acoustics and once in a more echo-prone space -- and I've been disappointed by the Oktavas both times. Why the disparity between studio tests and actual location use? I imagine a lot of it has to do with the stellar off-axis response smoothness of the Schoeps. My conclusion about the Oktavas is : They are an excellent mic for studio use and, for music recording, will hold their own against much higher priced, big-name mics. As a dialog mic for location work, they don't come close to the better mics available. I do, however, keep a couple of Oktavas in my location kit as "stunt doubles" for my Schoeps (although I seldom break them out). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
treckson Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Philip, I simply meant that the schoeps needs to be more properly cared for. I wouldn't let mine get wet, dropped, abused, insulted or left unattended (just like a royal), the consequences might be too harsh. I don't worry about the Audix and I don't use the mk012 for dialog just as backups. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Philip, I simply meant that the schoeps needs to be more properly cared for. I wouldn't let mine get wet, dropped, abused, insulted or left unattended (just like a royal), the consequences might be too harsh. I don't worry about the Audix and I don't use the mk012 for dialog just as backups. I understand that's what you mean and while I don't advise abusing Schoeps they are in fact less fragile than a mic like an Oktava. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Would anyone recommend the oktavas for SFX recording? I'm always tempted to buy a matched set from sound room with all capsule types so I can experiment with spaced omnis, ortf, ab and other fun stereo techniques. But maybe their self noise makes them a bad candidate for this? I suppose it depends on what you're recording! Any thoughts on Oktava for SFX? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 The oktavas will be fine for sfx recording. I don't see the self noise as an issue in that sense Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep owl Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I recorded this with my Oktava into NOMAD. Sounds decent. There are better of course. Rycote lyres are a MUST. Off axis is much more forgiving than so many others. They feel better to me on female voices than on male. And yes...many threads exist already Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgardnersound Posted January 17, 2013 Report Share Posted January 17, 2013 After a fair bit of use I also think (as mentioned before) cost/ quality its decent enough, 'you get what you pay for etc...'. There's a definite place for a mic like this in the bag for risky/ messy mic damaging set ups. I think most would agree not to get it on the cheap instead of a Schoeps etc... (I have an MKH 50) but in addition to I have certainly found a use for it. I definitely get what people have mentioned about 'range issues' - in simple terms If you get right up lips close to the mic it of course gets very hot, but only a very slight move back and it takes a big jump to being quite weak - not in a way I'd put down to a standard proximity effect. With all this in mind, used it on a shouty scene once while keeping some distance, did the job quite well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nicsmith Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 I've just got my lovely looking stereo matched pair through the post! I am now sending them back. They were bought through the official Oktava site and I have checked all the possible signs as to whether they are fakes. They are supposedly genuine. They sound lush and are great for indoor use I don't think anyone can deny and for the price ARE value for money in context. But externally, even using two different varieties of windshields by Rycote they are rendered completely unusable by anything more than the slightest wind. Waving a hand gently near them kicks up a low end noise even Skrillex would be proud of. Their handling noise is through the roof and without an entirely enclosed room with a significantly more expensive shock mount than the mic themselves they are frankly unusable. There's always a lot to be said for a practiced and skilled boom arm, but there are so many options at this price point, these are not the mics for location sound. Might I add that the official Oktava mounts are strung so tightly that they offer next to no shock resistance. Rycote lyres, their betters or don't bother. http://www.oktava-shop.com/Microphone-accessories/SM-20-Shock-Mount.html I'd argue they are not suitable for location sound in or outdoors without significant windshielding, an ant sneeze would create an unusable low end rumble on these mics. Let's kill the myth people. It's been a lovely thought that such a cheap mic is suitable and option for our profession but as stated by many others, they have a place, it's in an enclosed well shockproofed studio that doesn't have any wind movement AT ALL. Sorry for the downer on what is an otherwise great entry level STUDIO BASED microphone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted March 18, 2014 Report Share Posted March 18, 2014 The Oktava 012 are infamous for wind/handling noise (amongst other well known 'issues'). If you're read anything at all prior to purchase, don't say you weren't warned. "What is an otherwise great entry level STUDIO BASED microphone?" > Sorry, there aren't any in that price range. Typically, the 012 is not a bad sounding mic for interiors though, in the right hands. The $600 AT4053 or Audix SCX-1 are the next least expensive of 'pro' quality. A pro quality shock mount and windscreen is still necessary no matter what mic one uses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 nicsmith: "rendered completely unusable by anything more than the slightest wind. " others have found differently, and that was even before Oktava introduced their lo-cut module. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBoisseau Posted March 19, 2014 Report Share Posted March 19, 2014 Yes. That is true. But it was extremely difficult to use the Oktava before the lo-cut module, and even with it, wind protection is still a major issue - even for interiors! (Not to mention the lo-cut filter increases the noise floor). You just can not swing the boom quickly regardless of what windscreen you're using. You also have to get a decent shock mount. The included "mount" is not suitable for our types of application. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I'd argue they are not suitable for location sound in or outdoors without significant windshielding, an ant sneeze would create an unusable low end rumble on these mics. Let's kill the myth people. It's been a lovely thought that such a cheap mic is suitable and option for our profession but as stated by many others, they have a place, it's in an enclosed well shockproofed studio that doesn't have any wind movement AT ALL. Sorry for the downer on what is an otherwise great entry level STUDIO BASED microphone. Ok, let me kill your myth. I've used Oktavas on TV drama series for three years now, where quality production sound is a must. My main mic is a CMIT 5U for exteriors and some interiors, but in some rooms I'll take always go for the Oktava instead, because believe it or not, it sounds better. If it didn't work well for me, I'd have bought an MK41/CMC6 long ago. But I haven't. I myself rarely use a cardioid/hyper for exteriors but even there, if you can't deal with its wind/handling issues then you won't have much better results with an MKH8050 or even an MK41. You get what you pay for, so don't expect a 300 € mic to perform better than a Schoeps on a boom. But you can get good results if you try around a bit. Soundwise, like John write, I think it's comparable to using only Trams for your lavs and then trying out a DPA. You might not wanna go back after that. Same with an Oktava, it sounds great... until you put it next to an MK41. My Oktava is in a Rycote Lyre suspension, with a standard foam on it and when lots of movement is required, I put a fake fur sock on top of the foam. Very little sound coloration, no more wind issues. As for the rumble, I'll just say if you don't know how to engage a low cut filter on your mixer/recorder, maybe you should do some homework before "killing the myth". Sorry for the downer, but the Oktava is the best bang for the buck mic for location sound I know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 the Oktava is an excellent value... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Gilchrist Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 There's a time and place to use the Oktavas. I haven't used mine as extensively on dramas as Christian has, but they do make killer plant mics just because of their size. I used a pair on a TV gig, the introduction of a new roller coaster, as ambient mics on the loading platform in baby ball gags hanging from roof joists. They are pretty swell as an add-on lectern mic in doc situations where you can't get a feed. I bought 4 of them many years ago to use doing car crashes at IIHS since they were so inexpensive. The client had been using dynamics and you couldn't really hear much but mic self-noise and then a thud. We could put Oktavas in the flying debris zone without worrying about replacement costs. Oddly, several dynamics had been struck and destroyed by flying headlight trim, bumpers and hunks of grille but in a couple of years I never lost an Oktava. Incidentally, I purchased my mics long before Rycote made anything like the lyre mounts and Oktava pop screens and shock mounts just looked cheesy and were far too expensive. Beyer Dynamic WS101 pop screens work fine on them as do Rycote baby ball gags of the right size. I never had any trouble using Shure A53M donut mounts with them although at the price I paid for my multicapsule Oktava kits, the Shure shock mounts and Beyer pop screens ended up costing almost as much as the mics. Best regards, Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Panfeld Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Its hard for me to believe that nobody here has mentioned that Michael Joly mods these and, in addition to the electronics upgrades, he beefs up the resistance to handling noise. Its a $120 upgrade that makes this a much more usable mic than what some have concluded. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Martin Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Its hard for me to believe that nobody here has mentioned that Michael Joly mods these and, in addition to the electronics upgrades, he beefs up the resistance to handling noise. Its a $120 upgrade that makes this a much more usable mic than what some have concluded. It was mentioned a few times above. A great mod and very much worth the small price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I got a pair of Oktava's for $99 from Guitar Center about 10 years ago [they had a sale] because people weren't familiar with them.I had to go thru about 20 of them to find 2 good ones. They have saved me as crash mics..but the dialogue before and after was great.Also,they were not so suseptible to moisture as my Schoeps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 The Joly Mods are available here: http://www.oktavamod.com/ Michael Joly Engineering / OktavaMod 1336 Phinneys Lane Hyannis, MA 02601 http://www.oktavamod.com/about email: ContactMe@OktavaMod.com Mr. Joly also sells hand-picked & tested Oktavas which I suspect will sound better than the random ones you might find at a Guitar Center. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSound Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 +1 get Jolly if your going to buy an Oktavs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Josh Bass Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 I've worked on location with several pro sound guys (I am not a sound guy) in the past year or so who used the Oktava over whatever other choices they had. These were interior shoots with static subjects (talking to cam/interview type deals). One sound guy mentioned he had some mod done (maybe the one mentioned above?) that brought purchase price up to $550 or so. Think he mentioned the noise floor, so not the best for going straight into cam (i.e. use a mixer!). As far as I know the best "low cost" (4-$700) that are continually recommended are AT4053, Audix, and to a lesser extent that Oktava and the one I have, the AKG SE300/CK93 (modular system). AKG sounds ok to me, nothing amazing, but then again, nothing to compare to. It was REALLY cheap though (under $400 for both pieces). Should I have gone with another? Who knows. I don't use it that often and it works fine. What more can you ask for? I've even used it outdoors even though it's a hyper, because in an A/B test with the only other boom-style mic I had at the time, the ME66, the AKG was a little quieter as far as picking up ambient outdoor-ness, even though ME66 is a shotgun pattern (I know there probably many ME66 haters out here but at the time I bought it it was THE low cost shotgun to get. That's why everyone seems to have one). Also have an AT815b super ridiculous long shotgun that was gifted to me that I've used a few times, have not tried outdoors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AVUrlacher Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 That... was... AWESOME!!! Seriously though, if using this Mic, the mod is worth every penny. --au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 JB: " (I am not a sound guy) " most of us have figured that out... " Think he mentioned the noise floor, so not the best for going straight into cam (i.e. use a mixer!). " err... huh ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earmuffs Posted March 29, 2014 Report Share Posted March 29, 2014 I have used Joly modified MK012's for the past four years and stand by them. They don't quite have the reach and picking up a super cardioid is on my list this year but they are absolutely wonderful microphones. Btw, the mic floor noise is pretty much eliminated with the mod but they tend to need a little extra gain in general, if you have a Nomad or Maxx no worries though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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