old school Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 How can a gun ever be considered a harmless piece of metal? It is machine designed to shoot a lethal round at whatever it is aimed at. It is silly to argue otherwise. I am a gun owner and I take that responsibility very seriously. I also think it would be a good idea to implement some common sense laws and regulations concerning ownership and training/licensing, and even insurance for guns. CrewC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 " Then some a$$hole walks into a school " Then some sick a$$hole walks into a school... " common sense laws " careful, that is code. might that not be subjective ? just what is common sense? and sez who ??... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 How can a gun ever be considered a harmless piece of metal? Crew, I'm saying the gun itself has no power until wielded by an individual. On it's own, as an object, it is harmless. I also think it would be a good idea to implement some common sense laws and regulations concerning ownership and training/licensing, and even insurance for guns. I agree. The gun show loophole should be done away with as well. Any purchase should require a full check, unless you already have your ccw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 And high capacity round clips should be outlawed. As well as. Assault rifles. Period. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfisk Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I have shot 300fps all my career I heard the next hobbit movie was shot at 300 fps. Ought to make for some interesting visuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I heard the next hobbit movie was shot at 300 fps. Ought to make for some interesting visuals. I need my nomad to do time code for 300fps In case people are wondering its feet per second :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 I heard the next hobbit movie was shot at 300 fps. Ought to make for some interesting visuals. You Sir, win the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfisk Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 You Sir, win the internet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 We have to ban fertilizer as well then because the London bombers killed 55 people in a few seconds with backpacks full of the stuff Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 17, 2012 Report Share Posted December 17, 2012 We have to ban fertilizer as well then because the London bombers killed 55 people in a few seconds with backpacks full of the stuff Yep. More nonsensical responses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Yep. More nonsensical responses. Hardly, you seem to think that banning guns will stop mass killing sprees we are just pointing out you are wrong. If that kid didn't walk in into that school with a gun what else could he have done? Homemade organic peroxide bomb perhaps? Hypothetical but very possible and potentially a much greater death toll. Just because you are ignorant in your belief that you know best does not mean you are right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wyatt Tuzo Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Crew, I'm saying the gun itself has no power until wielded by an individual. On it's own, as an object, it is harmless. I really don't understand the constant, childish antagonism. Everyone knows that a gun is not going to spring to life and start firing itself... this is an absurd diversion from the discussion at hand. I'll repeat, a gun is a tool that's sole design is to maim and kill. I'm so tired of all of the BS responses in this thread stating that well, knives can kill... cars can kill... fertilizers can kill... OF COURSE THEY CAN, but this isn't their sole designation. I blame access to guns, I blame the media for turning murderers into celebrities in order to make a buck, and I blame the de-sensitising of our culture to violence. I would love to see reform in all of these areas! I DON'T understand how any compassionate human being can stand by and believe that not addressing any and all possible variables is an accepted course of action. Let's talk hunting/protecting livestock/horses/whathaveyou: If you need a fully automatic assault rifle to protect you from a bear, if a rifle doesn't do the trick... guess what... you lose- Survival of the fittest. If a coyote intends to take out a horse... I'm sorry if you don't see it as being within your plan, but it is as nature intends. We can be some of the most savage and arrogant beings on this planet. I realize that my position may be more extreme than most, but I say: ban assault rifles and handguns outright (these aren't used for sport or hunting), license and tighten control on single-shot rifles and shotguns. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Steigerwald Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I really don't understand the constant, childish antagonism. Everyone knows that a gun is not going to spring to life and start firing itself... Exactly. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Posted December 18, 2012 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Guns don't kill people. Cars don't kill people. Anthrax doesn't kill people. Nuclear weapons don't kill people. No rules... no regulations... let freedom ring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 You know, before moving to the US, I never had seen gated communities. Why do you think that is? Exactly. Guns don't kill people. People kill people. You truly are a sad individua. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 I realize that my position may be more extreme than most, but I say: ban assault rifles and handguns outright (these aren't used for sport or hunting), license and tighten control on single-shot rifles and shotguns. I'm not sure how extreme your POV is Wyatt, I know many cops and they want much more regulation concerning guns n ammo than most. Outrageous fire power is not a god or 2nd amendment given right regardless of how much fun one may have emptying a clip of 20 rounds in 2 seconds. What kind of society do we want in the US? I also believe media in its many forms has blood on its hands. "If it bleeds it leads" is the stuff that the so called news sells. Movies n games that glorify violence n mayhem take us further from our better selves. We who buy and play them have skin in this wicked game. There is a more sane middle ground than the extreme sides suggest. Let us find that place for the betterment of all. CrewC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim surrey Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 What would i be willing to give up to ensure no more children were killed in school shootings? Is the sadness felt by all those parents of less value to me than the happiness i feel by owning a gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 If that kid didn't walk in into that school with a gun what else could he have done? Homemade organic peroxide bomb perhaps? Hypothetical but very possible and potentially a much greater death toll. Hardly hypothetical. Not to give his name attention, but in 1995 in Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh used a rented box truck and fertilizer to blow up a building killing 168 people and injuring 800 (including kids in a day care). Doesn't matter if you think he was part of a conspiracy or acted alone, he did all of that without a gun. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Behring breivik in Norway did too. But he had a political motive, a true terrorist. Not a lunatic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Hardly hypothetical. Not to give his name attention, but in 1995 in Oklahoma City, Timothy McVeigh used a rented box truck and fertilizer to blow up a building killing 168 people and injuring 800 (including kids in a day care). Doesn't matter if you think he was part of a conspiracy or acted alone, he did all of that without a gun. +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymz Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 You know, before moving to the US, I never had seen gated communities. Why do you think that is? Why don't you tell us. One day when you're King you can decree the rules to be enforced. Until then, if you don't like the rules here you're free to return to your home country. Eric Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Why don't you tell us. One day when you're King you can decree the rules to be enforced. Until then, if you don't like the rules here you're free to return to your home country. Eric America is my home country. I've been fortunate to have lived in other countries though, where I gained a different, actual realworld experience of what gun control means. People live in gated communities, and have guards at schools with locked doors because they are scared, and terrified by the outside world. I never had the fear when Iw net to school, that someone might have a gun. And in none of those countries did I have less rights.In fact, America is more oppressive to people's actual freedom, than most other countries. Except here, they think gun ownership makes them more free. Nothing could be further from the truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jay Rose Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Last time I tried to shoot a Coyote wanting to get to my horses with a spitball... Obviously it was Wyle E. Coyote. Otherwise he would have known that claws and teeth are more effective against horses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted December 18, 2012 Report Share Posted December 18, 2012 Then some a$$hole walks into a school and shoots the place up. An asshole with a gun "enthusiast" for a mother. No guns in the house, no shootin' the place up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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