Michael Miramontes Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 I was considering using some sort of magnet type attachment to quickly place/remove a COS-11 on the talent's shirt. Without going into the details as to why this placement method works for what I'm doing I'd like to know if the magnet will ruin the mic or sound in any way. Anyone know? Thanks, Mike Quote
soundslikejustin Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 DPA make a magnetic Lav mount. Just don't use anything like rare-earth magnets! http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/282500-REG/DPA_Microphones_DMM0003_B_DMM0003_Magnetic_Clip.html Quote
Eric Toline Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 Countryman has a magnetic lav attachment holder thing. http://www.countryman.com Might even help to attract the sound waves into the lav. Eric Quote
Michael Miramontes Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Posted January 23, 2013 Just don't use anything like rare-earth magnets! Why not? Quote
soundslikejustin Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 They're extremely powerful. In proximity the force they enact upon each other (or any magnetically attractive material) is phenomenal, to the point that separating the two objects may not be possible without mechanical aid. You may accidentally get the mic in the middle and crush it. Not necessary for what you're doing, I don't think. Quote
Michael Miramontes Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Posted January 23, 2013 They're extremely powerful. In proximity the force they enact upon each other (or any magnetically attractive material) is phenomenal, to the point that separating the two objects may not be possible without mechanical aid. You may accidentally get the mic in the middle and crush it. Not necessary for what you're doing, I don't think. Hmm, ok. Thanks for the info. Looks like I may have to do some testing then to see what I can get to work. I'm on a gig that requires talent to put on a bullet proof vest on camera. The crappy part is that I already have them wired up and so when the vest goes on the lav gets covered. I'm trying to find a nice solution to this and figured having a magnetic mic clip that I can "quickly" reconfigure would be best. It sure would save me on undercovers and butle. Quote
LarryF Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 Magnets should not affect the lavs at all. Larry F Quote
johnpaul215 Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 What kind of vest? If it's one of the SWAT-looking ones, I sometimes just hid a lav inside a pouch. For the concealed ones, it's a little trickier. You are going to get a lot of rubbing while it goes on, but they often leave room up at the collar. I am guessing you can not boom the part where they put the vest on? That's what I did for some law enforcement stuff where they wanted the officer to tell us what they are doing, while they get geared up. That worked for the hidden vests as well as the tactical ones. BTW vests are kind of great in the winter. pretty warm. I rarely wore a jacket. Just a sweatshirt was enough (and that hid the vest). Quote
soundslikejustin Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 Can you sew a magnet into the vest? Why not try just a clip premounted on the vest that you clip the mic into...? Quote
Michael Miramontes Posted January 23, 2013 Author Report Posted January 23, 2013 I am guessing you can not boom the part where they put the vest on? That's what I did for some law enforcement stuff where they wanted the officer to tell us what they are doing, while they get geared up. That worked for the hidden vests as well as the tactical ones. Yes, this is exactly what is being filmed...a bunch of guys suiting up just before they arrest someone. UNFORTUNATELY, the network said they don't want to see a boom in the shot so the producer said it had to go. It is a 3 camera shoot so getting a boom in and dodging all 3 cameras/shadows is quite difficult. Quote
Tom Visser Posted January 23, 2013 Report Posted January 23, 2013 Why not just use two separate lavs and transmitters? There's all types of space and pockets on a typical vest to route wires and hide packs. Quote
johnpaul215 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Posted January 24, 2013 well, crap dude. good luck. When they were tactical vests I sometimes put the lav on the inside of the vest, right in the middle. The vest is so thick that there should be room for it not to rub, then ran the wire across and out an arm hole (or out the bottom) and into a pocket. I also tried some where the lav mic was under the flap of the pocket that contained the transmitter. There is so much going on with officer gear that nobody will notice it, and it's all black. The bonus to the well placed lav is that the suspect will be talking directly into it. It was similar on the show Animal Cops. Long before I worked on the show (like 10 years before) it was established that the lav could be exposed (Sony ECM77) in the metal windscreen, with foam if needed. Not small by COS11 standards. Even if the officer was wearing beige or red shirts, the black lav was fine. The only down side was that cats always tried to eat those frightfully expensive pieces of foam. Again, anyone the officer talked to was talking right into the lav, so I could be across the street (or where ever the camera was). Quote
johnpaul215 Posted January 24, 2013 Report Posted January 24, 2013 Also if the officers are all suiting up together, but stagger the vest part, you may be able to get away with the closest lav. Not optimum, but your hands are a bit tied here if the boom is out. Quote
Michael Miramontes Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Posted January 24, 2013 Why not just use two separate lavs and transmitters? There's all types of space and pockets on a typical vest to route wires and hide packs. Cause I'm running all Zax and that would cost me another $6k for just two receivers/transmitters/lavs. Magnets should not affect the lavs at all. Larry F Thank you so much for answering this. I will take this as the definitive answer considering the source. Quote
Michael Miramontes Posted January 24, 2013 Author Report Posted January 24, 2013 Also if the officers are all suiting up together, but stagger the vest part, you may be able to get away with the closest lav. Not optimum, but your hands are a bit tied here if the boom is out. Yeah, it is a tricky one. Hopefully, I can figure something out that will save time and sound great. Quote
Derek H Posted January 24, 2013 Report Posted January 24, 2013 I would suggest working with the camera operators to allow you at least a bare minimum amount of clearance to do your job properly. I worked on a police work verite style show and the boom was indispensable. There is no way to do it with lavs only and not miss lots of material. Quote
MarkR Posted April 30 Report Posted April 30 Lav Magnet is the answer. www.lavmagnet.com It also comes with a Beltpack Bar. Hang your transmitter anywhere ya like on virtually any garment. They're being used by everyone. Even used on the referees in the NFL. Quote
VASI Posted May 1 Report Posted May 1 18 hours ago, MarkR said: Lav Magnet is the answer. www.lavmagnet.com It also comes with a Beltpack Bar. Hang your transmitter anywhere ya like on virtually any garment. They're being used by everyone. Even used on the referees in the NFL. The link does not work. Quote
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