justanross Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 https://vimeo.com/55828018 Discuss. Quote
Chris Woodcock Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 "Why pay for a sound guy when I can just use my iPhone" Quote
JonG Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Not so sure I would want to put my iPhone in someone else's pocket, and that scenario with the young couple getting married with the priest there, all three laved up... that means the videographer had three iPhones. I honestly cant see too many people buying into this. Most people doing it all themselves probably already have a zoom or some other cheapo recorder, all they would need is a lav terminated to fit those specifications to do the same thing. That still doesnt teach them how to actually lav anyone up. Last time I checked, clients always want the lav hidden, even when its talking heads or some other situation where it would really be inconsequential. But thats just me, what do you guys think? Quote
Marc Wielage Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 I think it's iStupid. Tell me again how the filmmakers are going to know if there's lav noise, if they're picking up clothing noise, or if the iPhone's batteries shut down. Or how they change levels if the actor suddenly yells or begins whispering in a very low voice. And syncing to picture is still an issue, since there's no timecode. I dislike any company that trivializes a craft and makes it appear to be simple, easy, and inexpensive. It's kind of like those iPhone and iPad apps that claim to do most of the work of an editing program, or (god forbid) a sound mixing or color-correction program. To me, it's a gross, superficial coverage of a very complicated problem. This is no different than wiring up somebody with a Zoom recorder and lav mic, and that's fraught with the same problems. Quote
soundslikejustin Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Not so sure I would want to put my iPhone in someone else's pocket, and that scenario with the young couple getting married with the priest there, all three laved up... that means the videographer had three iPhones. I honestly cant see too many people buying into this. Most people doing it all themselves probably already have a zoom or some other cheapo recorder, all they would need is a lav terminated to fit those specifications to do the same thing. That still doesnt teach them how to actually lav anyone up. Last time I checked, clients always want the lav hidden, even when its talking heads or some other situation where it would really be inconsequential. But thats just me, what do you guys think? My favourite part about using your phone to do this (when using the RodeRec app) is that if you get a call, message or notification during you get booted out of rec. Solution from Rode: Enable flight mode, meaning you don't have use of it as a phone. Also, there's no way to check if this sounds any good as the mic uses the headphone jack. Quote
chrisnewton Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 I couldn't find anything on their website about smartlav, but they had info on their XY mic and recording app for i devices. the XY setup looked ok. it's $200 and sold out on their webstore. as far as I can tell from the video the smart lav uses their recording app also. they'll likely sell a shitload of these things: xy mic and the smartlav. could be fun, but of no practical purpose for me in our line of work that I can see right now. zoom does everything this setup does, with the exception of direct connection to the cloud, dropbox etc. by the way, on their website the xy unit does not interface with iphone 5 at this time. odd, as it appears this thing was just unveiled at CES.I thought the video was put together a bit haphazardly actually. strange sound edits in places. just my 2 cents. Quote
justanross Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Posted February 1, 2013 I couldn't find anything on their website about smartlav, but they had info on their XY mic and recording app for i devices. the XY setup looked ok. it's $200 and sold out on their webstore. as far as I can tell from the video the smart lav uses their recording app also. they'll likely sell a shitload of these things: xy mic and the smartlav. could be fun, but of no practical purpose for me in our line of work that I can see right now. zoom does everything this setup does, with the exception of direct connection to the cloud, dropbox etc. by the way, on their website the xy unit does not interface with iphone 5 at this time. odd, as it appears this thing was just unveiled at CES.I thought the video was put together a bit haphazardly actually. strange sound edits in places. just my 2 cents. iPhone 5 has a different connector then previous models. They do have adapters, but not sure if they'd work with the mic. Quote
JonG Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Yeah I think that having to resync everything is one of those obstacles that these wanna be DIY-ers try to avoid at all costs anyhow. I believe that this markets to the "record directly onto the 5D crowd". Valid point about not being able to check the sound too. Its a very tricky job for us who can actually hear the results in real time. For those who can't, well, I'm sure that they will see little success. BTW why is Rode trying to take jobs away from the people most likely to buy their more pricier products? I wouldn't want to sell out to amateurs who don't have money to spend on good gear in the first place, hence the one man shows and pro-sumer gear and such. Quote
soundslikejustin Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Well, Rycote are 'on board' http://www.rodemic.com/videomic Quote
Christian Spaeth Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 The problem is that, assuming you'd already use both your iPhones for a 3d video rig, you would need to buy one more for each person to be recorded. I think some G3 kits would be cheaper! Quote
Jim Feeley Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 It's going to be $60 USD. Something for their growing iPhone line, like the iXY http://www.ixymic.com/ These aren't the droids we're looking for. Quote
justanross Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Posted February 1, 2013 I don't think any of these devices are going to take away work from us. I find the lav interesting. I could see journalist using it for interviews. None of this stuff will be used on a pro level. Since we are all pro's we have nothing to worry about Quote
Jim Feeley Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Justan, I agree. The mic is clever though I don't think unique. And things could be worse. Much worse: Hacking Apple iPhone earbuds to get audio for an interview in your next film! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPjL2COL2_Y Quote
OmahaAudio Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 With this SmartLav costing $60 and the cheapest iPod Touch (doesn't have to be an iPhone) costing $300 that'd be under $400 for each set-up. A Zoom H-1 recorder with OST lav would cost around $200. A Zaxcom ZFR100 with lav will cost over $1000. Quote
justanross Posted February 1, 2013 Author Report Posted February 1, 2013 Justan, I agree. The mic is clever though I don't think unique. And things could be worse. Much worse: Hacking Apple iPhone earbuds to get audio for an interview in your next film! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mPjL2COL2_Y OMG! That is horrible. It was so bad I had to post it on my facebook business page warning people NOT to do this. Quote
Erick Posted February 1, 2013 Report Posted February 1, 2013 Is a dynamic lav? I don't see any power there for feed electrets Saludos! Quote
soundslikejustin Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 Is a dynamic lav? I don't see any power there for feed electrets Saludos! There's a mic input with 5v (that's how the supplied mic headset works) in the TRRS jack in the iPhone. Quote
chrisnewton Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 good info. thanks soundslike. Quote
Martin Kittappa Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 I can see it's use as an extra tool in hidden camera type situations, something like 'to catch a predator' or 'rogue builders' you could disguise the mic as part of the headphone setup for an iPhone enabling you to get a mic a bit closer to a perp. Other than that it looks more like a toy for amateurs. Quote
audio911 Posted February 2, 2013 Report Posted February 2, 2013 I bet the SmartLav was not used anywhere in their promotional video... Steve Wytas www.audio911.com Quote
VASI Posted February 3, 2013 Report Posted February 3, 2013 This lavalier it's not for pro audio industry. In my opinion. So I don't give the careful attention. It's another lavalier guys. Nothing special. Quote
markfarrowaudiopost Posted February 4, 2013 Report Posted February 4, 2013 Has anyome come up with wifi or bluetooth lav? that i would be interested in. Quote
Vincent R. Posted February 4, 2013 Report Posted February 4, 2013 Has anyome come up with wifi or bluetooth lav? that i would be interested in. Line 6 has a transmitter receiver based on wifi. More for live music performance but the technologies exists. Quote
Matt Martin Posted February 5, 2013 Report Posted February 5, 2013 http://www.widigitalsystems.com/ These guys have some "wifi" based wireless lav and ifb units. Here is a thread talking about them: Quote
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