Stewart Posted April 2, 2013 Report Share Posted April 2, 2013 Thanks a lot, Does anyone know/have thoughts on how the sound on the cooking/kitchen scenes in Eat Drink Man Woman were done? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tonetripper Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Then on the stove there will frequently be something bubbling/frying/boiling, etc all very noisy. If not at the stove the chef will probably be chopping or dicing something, again quite noisy. And if he isn't, soneone else will be. Most likely, the chef will be looking down a lot, at the work at hand, so again the boom is pretty useless. At a stove, you will have to get right between the extractor and the stove, which is no place for a sensitive mic. Stoves get hot, boiling water may splash, and hot oil from a pan can and will leap for your mic. Lav is your best and only viable option. I do take an M/S rig along to kitchen shoots, however. It's great to be able to record the kitchen atmosphere in stereo and you can boom the chef's on-cam comments with it. A good reason why the lav is so good because the chef is close to the cooking. Of course when he walks away it goes away but usually he'll stay there for the noisy bits when he's not talking. Flipping food in the pan. Special tricks dicing. His/Her mic does all the work on those point too. I find the MS an interesting choice. I would have never thought of that but in this day and age of all shows going 5.1 it gives the post guys an interesting potential place to work with. Even a hint in the overall 2 channel mix with the chef up the middle is interesting. Would this MS mic be planted? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Would this MS mic be planted? No, it's on my boom. I tend to stay a bit behind the camera. I just hold the boom up straight and record the ambiance, and when it seems suitable, I'll boom the chef, either killing the S channel first, or let post deal with it. For 5.1 I have taken a double M/S rig. Same deal really, if you have the tracks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 For 5.1 I have taken a double M/S rig. got to be sure to get all the real sound of a stage and TV set. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 got to be sure to get all the real sound of a stage and TV set. No, Senator, I'm talking about a real commercial kitchen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 No, Senator, I'm talking about a real commercial kitchen. And if you have the time, I, for one, would like to hear more details. Would also appreciate it if you can share, via PM if you want, the names of any show of his kind you have worked on, especially if I can find clips on YouTube/Vimeo. Thanks Constantin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 And if you have the time, I, for one, would like to hear more details. Would also appreciate it if you can share, via PM if you want, the names of any show of his kind you have worked on, especially if I can find clips on YouTube/Vimeo. Thanks Constantin. Like what details do you mean? I don't have any videos. It's not like I'm doing kitchen stuff all the time, sorry if it came across that way. but I did work on two corporate videos in kitchens. one was for a catering company. They were both shot doc-like. i haven't found either video on their websites. it wasn't very exciting stuff. Using an M/S rig is a pretty standard way for me whenever I'm working on docs. It's a very simple way to have a proper boom mic and a decent stereo mic all in one basket. No fumbling around when you want to record a stereo track. The problem is when there is no sound post as editors usually don't have a clue what to do with an unmatrixed MS recording. But I can't record it as stereo, because I need the boom mic on its own in case I need to record an ad-hoc statement or whatever. In the field, double MS works almost the same, except you can only monitor front or back. and since most recorders and mixers only allow you to monitor MS in pair, you have to forgo listening to the rear pair. All this MS stuff is probably for another thread... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stewart Posted April 4, 2013 Report Share Posted April 4, 2013 Thanks Constantin, very helpful actually. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toy Robot Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 Anyone here work on Master Chef? I saw an episode last night (never saw it before then) and I must say I'm very impressed with how clean everything sounded. All mics hidden, multiple wardrobe from different talent / hosts. Lots of wardrobe changes for episodes. Pretty impressive to hide all mics 100% and have zero scratching whatsoever. No scratching from aprons, dress shirts, nothing. The only mic I saw the entire episode was a COS-11 in a tie knot and that was it. Everything else I couldn't find. Bravo to whomever is working on the show. I'd love to work on a show like that one day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
minister Posted July 20, 2013 Report Share Posted July 20, 2013 I find the MS an interesting choice. I would have never thought of that but in this day and age of all shows going 5.1 it gives the post guys an interesting potential place to work with. Even a hint in the overall 2 channel mix with the chef up the middle is interesting. Would this MS mic be planted? MS is a tricky thing in 5.1 post because of the down-mix matrix. I have never used it because it causes too many headaches. I have recorded some field FX, but I always print them to XY before finishing the edit. I would not be happy receiving MS files from production on a 5.1 TV mix because I would have to (waste) time printing to XY. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted July 21, 2013 Report Share Posted July 21, 2013 Anyone here work on Master Chef? Had a few seasons to get it ironed out, to sort out rigs. On MC the "kitchen" is done studio-style recorded to ProTools types rig. The "house" and "challenges" are ENG style. Post always has clean tracks to work with (where needed) if they have time to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thope Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 http://pearlmicrophones.com/index.php/products/microphones-by-type/shotgun/msh10andmsh20-detail Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thope Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 The problem is when there is no sound post as editors usually don't have a clue what to do with an unmatrixed MS recording. But I can't record it as stereo, because I need the boom mic on its own in case I need to record an ad-hoc statement or whatever. Had this same problem, I searched for ages and recently came across this mic from pearl. Ticks all the boxes on paper, still waiting to listen to it though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 29, 2013 Report Share Posted July 29, 2013 That mic is not the solution to the problem I was describing. You still have to decide if you should record a stereo signal or the MS signal, both with its advantages and disadvantages. With the MSH10 it's even worse, because you can't decide anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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