berniebeaudry Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Anyone know who the sound supervisor is for Celebrity Apprentice? I was watching the show tonight and am truly impressed by how good the hidden lavs sound. That in spite of some difficult wardrobe. Even outdoors didn't hear any wind issues at all. Would like to know what they're using and how they're micing them. Thanks, Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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berniebeaudry Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Ron Ali I can't find a bit of info on Ron. Tried Google, IMPDB, etc. and no mention of him. Any idea how I might contact him? Thanks, Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Rob Lewis Posted February 15, 2008 Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 If you want to se a list of Ronnie's credentials, check Realitystaff.com. I only know of Ronnie by reputation, and through other mixers that have worked for him, but I understand he is a top notch supervisor that is very demanding to work for ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Thanks Scott and Rob, Didn't find anything of the Location Sound site. I did find Ronnie's info on the RealityStaff site of which I am a member. The site is ridiculous, I clicked on the contact him button and it never loads. Many of the other functions don't load either, but the forum does. Weird. Could their server be that busy? Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted February 15, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2008 Thanks Scott and Rob, Didn't find anything of the Location Sound site. I did find Ronnie's info on the RealityStaff site of which I am a member. The site is ridiculous, I clicked on the contact him button and it never loads. Many of the other functions don't load either, but the forum does. Weird. Could their server be that busy? Bernie Finally got a message sent through RealityStaff. Will see if he has time to answer. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.ALI Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 We use the Mke-2 lav mics on The Apprentice. I actually sent you a email explaining some stuff in more detail so check that out. Thanks for the compliment Rob. Whoever told you I was demanding was on it. I only demand that the guys be professional and knowledgeable of their jobs. I am not a fan of "babysitting" guys who are making good money. I expect the best out of these guys and nothing less. I work my butt off to make things as easy as possible for them to do their jobs so they have a obligation to do it well. I figure if I can get 24 talent mics and 40 camera sends to work in Midtown Manhattan, they can do their part and make what goes to tape sound great. If that's demanding, then I'm demanding. I'll accept that role. We all should be demanding of our skills as professionals right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 R. Ali, welcome to the forum. I have been Ron's co- worker and friend for some time now, and he speaks and works from the heart. 5 years ago when he was in charge of special projects at are former employer and building audio kits and custom designing control rooms, we knew it would be a matter of time he would be out there in the real world, putting his skills to use for the top network shows himself. you might say he is demanding, but you got to back it up to stay on top. later, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted February 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 We use the Mke-2 lav mics on The Apprentice. I actually sent you a email explaining some stuff in more detail so check that out. Thanks for the compliment Rob. Whoever told you I was demanding was on it. I only demand that the guys be professional and knowledgeable of their jobs. I am not a fan of "babysitting" guys who are making good money. I expect the best out of these guys and nothing less. I work my butt off to make things as easy as possible for them to do their jobs so they have a obligation to do it well. I figure if I can get 24 talent mics and 40 camera sends to work in Midtown Manhattan, they can do their part and make what goes to tape sound great. If that's demanding, then I'm demanding. I'll accept that role. We all should be demanding of our skills as professionals right. Hello Ron, I can only imagine how busy you must be so I'm extremely grateful that you took the time to reply to me here, and via email. Welcome to the forum, but be careful its known to be addictive. All the best to you and your outstanding crew, and have a great rest of the season. I'll be watching and listening for sure. Regards, Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Lewis Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 Ron, you are very welcome ! I live outside the Cleveland, OH area, and we a have a fellow mixer that worked for you on a couple of Apprentice shows. You are well known by your reputation, and the results of your work as we see on TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.ALI Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Would that guy be Steve Gercio? He's a Ohio guy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 R.Ali, Hello. good to "see" you back, hope all is well. when you go wireless to a camera (camera hop) do you go into the camera setting Mic or line level? also, do you ever use B6's when you are audio super.? what is your favorite Mic (sounding) to use on these shows?? later, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Joachim Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Last season of "Apprentice" (or was it two seasons ago?) Ronnie did a challenge competition on a makeshift stage on the beach in Malibu I think it was. The wind was so fierce that The Donalds comb-over was threatening to take flight yet, the dialogue came thru clean and clear. He happened to come in the next day and I asked him if it had been dubbed later, because there was no way that they could have used the production audio that day. Of course it was. He's pretty darn good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DWsoundservice Posted February 29, 2008 Report Share Posted February 29, 2008 Ronnie and I worked together for several years. So, I have always taken an interest in his work. He continues to amaze. The question I have is, How difficult is it to work with all the egos involved with that show?? Welcome to the forum. David W White D.W. Sound Service Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted March 1, 2008 Report Share Posted March 1, 2008 Last season of "Apprentice" (or was it two seasons ago?) Ronnie did a challenge competition on a makeshift stage on the beach in Malibu I think it was. The wind was so fierce that The Donalds comb-over was threatening to take flight yet, the dialogue came thru clean and clear. He happened to come in the next day and I asked him if it had been dubbed later, because there was no way that they could have used the production audio that day. Of course it was. He's pretty darn good. Salesguy, you said "of course it was" sorry, but did you mean, 1- it was dubbed later, 2- hell no they used ron's prod.tracks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.ALI Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Scibella, LSCSalesguy meant that we used the production audio on that episode. It was a beach task with Trina Turke. We actually were in consideration for an Emmy because of that episode. It was basically a situation where we needed to factor in how the wind was blowing, where they would be standing on stage, and where we needed to place the lavs to take advantage of the situation. It's all about planning and executing that strategy correctly. Especially when dealing with key players like a Trump or any other host. Not a fan of the B6's. I've used them when I've mixed on others projects but I don't use them on shows that I supervise. I'm a Tram, MKE-2 gold, Sanken guy. Depends on what type of clothing will be used by the various people. D.White, Dealing with the egos kind of comes with the territory. I limit the types of egos that I will allow on my shows with respect to my immediate crew. I really don't cater to "high maintenance" mixers. We are ONE crew, with ONE mission, and that's the bottom line. If the guys aren't on board to be a part of a entire team then they won't last with our crew. It's a team effort much like in the military. No time for egos in the battle field. I'll draw up the plan, we all go execute it, we get paid and go home to the families. If you meant "talent" egos like Trump, there really isn't much you can do. I just mic him up fast and let him do his thing. I don't really cater to his madness either. That's the Producers job. I just built a trust with the guy that we are delivering good sound on his show. He hates doing VO's so if I need to adjust his mic and he doesn't want to be bothered I just put a bug in his ear that he may have to do VO's later. He'll let me do whatever I need to keep him from doing VO's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 R.Ali, Thats what I thought,(prod. tracks) I like what you tell the Donald, about possible VO's Later. I can totally see you doing that- (ha.ha.) b6's do sound a bit thin sometimes. sankens seem to be the best "over all sounding" lav, (to bad they don't have a true vamp clip) oh ya, camera hops (mic or line?) what is your preference?? later, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve Joachim Posted March 4, 2008 Report Share Posted March 4, 2008 Of course I meant to say that they used Ronnie's production tracks. I caught that grammatical error also right after I posted it. Good "Gotcha" Frank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 salesguy, it was not a intentional "gotcha" , I make them every other post, you can modify your posts (thankfully - for me) sometimes like in a email, when you type things out, they don't necessarily reflect what you were trying to say. so when you are done with your post and you don't really like how"it came out" you can click the modify tab, and correct it. (also, love the spell check,thanks JW) later, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted March 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 R.Ali, Thats what I thought,(prod. tracks) I like what you tell the Donald, about possible VO's Later. I can totally see you doing that- (ha.ha.) b6's do sound a bit thin sometimes. sankens seem to be the best "over all sounding" lav, (to bad they don't have a true vamp clip) oh ya, camera hops (mic or line?) what is your preference?? later, I'm sure I don't have enough experience with them but so far the Sankens haven't impressed me. I own B6s, Sonotrims, and have used the MKE2s (probably not the Gold though) and to my ears the Sankens just aren't that much different or better. What I don't like about them is that they are such a weird shape, and I wouldn't consider them all that small. I saw some on a show that had them exposed on the top of tee shirts (a man and a woman) with the alligator clip and they looked ridiculous and sounded only average. And I know the show doesn't do much post work on the sound. There is no perfect mic for under wardrobe and I understand that, but they didn't seem that easy to hide the few times I used them. What I'm frustrated with is the fact that they are great mics (I know they are because so many, with far more experience than me, on this and other forums swear by them) and I should like them. I don't get it. Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted March 5, 2008 Report Share Posted March 5, 2008 Bernie, give sankens another try my man, double check that show, were they looked and sounded bad (there is no true alligator or vamp clip yet for cos-11's) senn makes a vamp clip that the cos-11 sort of fits in. try using the rm-11 w/mole skin or stickies. you really should factor how the Mic's were placed, were they going in a FP-33, what recorder etc. on many shows, they are often rigged into a necktie in plain view, using 411's into a cooper 208. try them again. (no I don't own any stock in them,just a fan) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
R.ALI Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 The Sankens are a bit long but they can be hidden pretty easily with the right technique. I haven't really had any problems using/hiding them. Watch "The Best Damn Sports Show". They double mic the cast and guest with Sanken lavs. You can see how they expose the mics and make them look neat and professional. I never have the luxury of exposing mics so I don't really have the use for a vampire clip. I use the COS 11 somethings but for the most part I just use the actual lav. As for the sound, Frank is right. You have to consider what you are using with the lav to process the signal. I personally don't like the FP-33 because it has a high noise floor. Any omni-directional lav going through that mixer will sound suspect. Put a Sanken through a Lectrosonics wireless and a good mixer like the 442 or a Yamaha DM2000 and you'll see the difference. Especially when dealing with polyester shirts, dresses, or blouses. Frank to answer your question, I prefer use camera sends with Mic level transmission. That is the most natural use of the wireless. Going Line Level requires specially made cables to handle the line level signal into the transmitter. At that point you have to still set the camera to mic level because those cables convert the line level to mic level anyway. The only time we really go line level on my shows is when we have to use the beta harness. The guys seem to prefer that setting in that situation. I don't have a preference because I know how to send mic level down the beta snake also. Some guys out in the field have trouble with that for some reason. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FSBELLA Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 R.Ali, Thanks for the mic/line clarification. I always prep and send out hops as a mic level signal. but for a minute there was a discussion here to send out line level. as sterl and bobanza always told me, "machine to machine" - go line out to line in (mixer to camera) and then "microphone to machine" - go mic out to mic in (lectro hops or shotgun mic to camera mic level in) later, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDirckze Posted March 6, 2008 Report Share Posted March 6, 2008 And so the mic/line for wireless hops debates starts again.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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