Wandering Ear Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Hey Kelsey- that's my iPhone and arm in the top pic…...You never had me sign a release! Ha! I couldn't of built that rig, and all the others we did on that movie with out you! Seriously, you're the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted February 8, 2014 Report Share Posted February 8, 2014 Yes, the Nite Ize 'Gear Tie'. Available in different lengths, colors, ect., available in Home Depot, Lowes, hardware stores. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Quiet dialog in a convertible. Doesn't someone here use "unreasonable expectations" a lot? Talk to the director. Discuss what's "real" in terms of the story. People don't talk quietly in convertibles. To sell proper speed (faster than process trailers go), they'll want to add road noise and wind noise and car noise. Actors should "act" like they would if it was happening. That said, lav the actors. It'll be the easiest solution. Although I effectively used a 50 with a softie from below (tight lenses) with great success in a convertible. If you can't get the mic close enough with proper wind protection, the again... Mic the actor. I have used lav visor mics and plants too (actor climbs onto driver to make out while driving convertible). Techno on camera car. Couldn't use big plants. In that case, I think it ended up being looped. Just too much noise and "business". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pt Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 2) Cubs..again wind protection? Geoff, check out the Bubblebee 'Uncle Cub' windjammers made specifically for the CUB-01. They fit the mic perfectly and work well. http://www.bubblebeeindustries.com/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McL Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Just a thought: there are spots in convertible cars that don't get as much wind as you might think. If you're able, I'd beg props to let you take a passenger-side ride along with your proposed mics of choice, looking for those spots that don't attract wind eddies. Have been successful mounting Schoeps to armature wire and held by a shot bag, from both floor and console. Most recently used two Schoeps from console, two cubs with hand made furries on visors and actors wired. Had the vehicle no roof, might have put Rycote hair over the teardrops that I think would yield more wind protection than the softies also on hand. Do let us know how it turns out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 I have done maybe 75-100 car shoots for the last 2 years. I have tried numerous setups but the one that I choose 95% of the time is normal lav each person making sure the seatbelt is not close or over the MIC. The main reason for using this setup is we shoot people getting in the car , driving, getting out of the car then getting back in and driving. To make it easy on post I just use the Lavs. Now my trick is I have a third mic usually DPA 4063 or mkh8040 in between the 2 people. The antenna is extended behind the headrest or on the back window. This gives me a longer range and constant non interrupted feed to director and producers who drive behind our production van. This setup is has worked for me and while not ideal it works well if talent is not wearing noisy clothing. Do you put the 3rd mic above or below? I'm guessing above to reduce the car's mechanical noise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Maxwell Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Thanks a lot guys, good stuff. I am lobbying to get my hands on the car in prepro. Never used the Cubs. How does the sound compare to the Schoeps? How's the pattern.. off axis etc..Are they 48V? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Maxwell Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Just a thought: there are spots in convertible cars that don't get as much wind as you might think. If you're able, I'd beg props to let you take a passenger-side ride along with your proposed mics of choice, looking for those spots that don't attract wind eddies. Have been successful mounting Schoeps to armature wire and held by a shot bag, from both floor and console. Most recently used two Schoeps from console, two cubs with hand made furries on visors and actors wired. Had the vehicle no roof, might have put Rycote hair over the teardrops that I think would yield more wind protection than the softies also on hand. Do let us know how it turns out. Thanks Jan, good advice. Where does one get armature wire? Also when you say "put Rycote hair" Do you mean canibalizing an existing windjammer? Thanks again, Geoff Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Maxwell Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 2) Cubs..again wind protection? Geoff, check out the Bubblebee 'Uncle Cub' windjammers made specifically for the CUB-01. They fit the mic perfectly and work well. http://www.bubblebeeindustries.com/ Thanks, these look great. Does anyone stock them in the US? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Maxwell Posted February 9, 2014 Report Share Posted February 9, 2014 Quiet dialog in a convertible. Doesn't someone here use "unreasonable expectations" a lot? Talk to the director. Discuss what's "real" in terms of the story. People don't talk quietly in convertibles. To sell proper speed (faster than process trailers go), they'll want to add road noise and wind noise and car noise. Actors should "act" like they would if it was happening. That said, lav the actors. It'll be the easiest solution. Although I effectively used a 50 with a softie from below (tight lenses) with great success in a convertible. If you can't get the mic close enough with proper wind protection, the again... Mic the actor. I have used lav visor mics and plants too (actor climbs onto driver to make out while driving convertible). Techno on camera car. Couldn't use big plants. In that case, I think it ended up being looped. Just too much noise and "business". Thanks Robert. I intend to mic them, fortunately there won't be seat belts. Just looking for all my options. Geez I hate that "L" word.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I use the 5cm softie on my schoeps when i am worried about wind. Works great. Depending on the car, i often use a small desktop Mic stand by the front dash. uploadfromtaptalk1391809321434.jpg This is indeed a very elegant solution. Thanks for sharing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jan McL Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Thanks Jan, good advice. Where does one get armature wire? Also when you say "put Rycote hair" Do you mean canibalizing an existing windjammer? Thanks again, Geoff Art store is where I found that which I've used. A google search of armature wire yields lots of ideas. You gotta get your hands on it to know whether it will work I think. Expect calipers in this week and will confirm diameter as soon as that happens. The windjammer I used doesn't have a part number on it, but it's lined and fits fairly tightly around the teardrop and secures with a piece of Velcro. It's been so long since I purchased, they've probably changed the model in any event. Having looked around over at Rycote, my guess is a dealer or Rycote call might have to be made. Sorry. Wish I could have helped more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Best bet is Trams/Sonotrims Tape up the keys Check the glove box, interior rattles, aircon off, windows up if DP allows Lighting on rigs - generator well away and check gels and scrims for noise on take 1 Been there done that!!! mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 Do you put the 3rd mic above or below? I'm guessing above to reduce the car's mechanical noise. it usually goes between the seats behind the shifter facing up. The third mic is mainly for the director to be able to listen interrupted dialog. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 RPS: " People don't talk quietly in convertibles. " thanks Robert, you are right, that is a somewhat unreasonable expectation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhforAndAfter Posted February 10, 2014 Report Share Posted February 10, 2014 I'm not super experienced, but I have done this before (not in a convertible) with two hidden countrymans on the actors and two Oktava 012s mounted on the center console. For a convertible I would've tried the same with Baby Ball Gags/windjammers. I removed all keys from the keychain, and made sure the AC was off. Wish I had the gear to do it the way Wandering Ear did! I just got creative with some shock mounts and gaff tape. If it's a tight shot, sticking mics directly to the seat-belt may be a good option (as long as you politely make sure the actors won't tear the thing right off). May be time to invest in a CUB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geoff Maxwell Posted February 11, 2014 Report Share Posted February 11, 2014 Best bet is Trams/Sonotrims Tape up the keys Check the glove box, interior rattles, aircon off, windows up if DP allows Lighting on rigs - generator well away and check gels and scrims for noise on take 1 Been there done that!!! mike Thanks Mike ...all good tips. Maybe I'm old school but I too like the sound of Sonotrims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
audiofishwork Posted February 13, 2014 Report Share Posted February 13, 2014 Fifteen minutes later, Rocky Quiroz walked up to the car and said, "Richard, are you still in there?" lol...funniest thing I have heard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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