johnpaul215 Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 If they are not going to use it, why would wireless carriers want the FCC to sell it now? There should be some agreement with buying it that it will be used in X number of years. We recently got casinos in Pennsylvania and after years of bidding and battles and lawsuits there were 2 awarded for inside Philadelphia county. One of those two bids lost their license because they didn't break ground by a certain date. To win the license they had to show a plan, financing bla bla bla, but they lost an investor or something and that very valuable license went back up for grabs. These airwaves are currently being used. It's not like a plot of land that nobody cares about. If we are going to get thrown out (as well as the other users), and it is done "for the public good", then they should freaking use it for something good! I realize I am preaching to the choir here, but this is ponderous. I can see that *IF* it goes up for sale, they have to jump on it, but if they don't have the ability to use it (to pay it off), then it's in their interest for it to stay as is for a while..... unless they fear somebody like Apple, Amazon, Google, Comcast etc eventually waking up to the possibilities and buying it. In theory it would work fine for wireless internet even if it's not appropriate for handset phones. Bigger antennas would be fine for home/office/cars/etc. We also know that Apple spent a lot of money doing studies on what it would actually take to launch their own data network (with VOIP) for the iPhone just to bypass the cell companies. The report's conclusions might be different if you factor in other frequencies, or maybe not. I am sure Google has done the same research, and maybe even Comcast. Again, the only reason to hasten a sale is if they think they currently have deeper pockets than the competition. Otherwise they are buying something they won't make money off of for decades. Granted it's not like an empty building that they have to maintain and pay taxes for, but they are still spending some decent money for a limited resource. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordi Posted April 27, 2013 Report Share Posted April 27, 2013 Johnpaul, I fully agree with you: There should be some 'must be used by' date on the sale, or they lose the license, AND the FCC / govt gets to keep the cash. As far as I have heard, nothing like this exists in the proposal. The FCC isn't the selling agent however, they are only the agency dividing things up and being told to sell by Congress. I think much of the 'yes yes please sell it now' attitudes from ATT / Verizon is that they know this kind of opportunity doesn't come up that often, and while they have the cash to lay out (without it putting a critical hurt on their bottom line or share prices) they know their competitors don't. The exception to that would be Google or Apple... Who have the cash, but not an existing infrastructure in wireless to make this purchase feasible. Google / Apple would need to buy up LOTS of other tech and tower space to even think about using a block of airspace, so the cost would be orders of magnitude higher than for ATT / Vz / Sprint / T-Mo... And of that list, ATT and Vz only need to worry about each other. They can easily outbid Sprint or Tmo, who simply don't have the available cash laying around. One of the things that I was told by Mr. Stoffo at NAB referred to this situation as well. When the FCC takes away this (or any) block, as licensed part 74 users, BEFORE we are allowed to request any existing white space devices retune themselves (I gather via the database and our own registration within it)... WE would be responsible for having gear to use ANY and ALL other available frequencies, even VHF. He mentioned this in reference to the trouble that Broadway and the NFL are about to face with this mess. What I took from that is that even as a part 74 licensee... We are still last on the list after everyone who gives the FCC more money, and it is our own fault if we don't buy the equipment to make use of every other possible frequency first before bothering the Great And Powerful Oz (FCC) and requesting what our licenses are supposed to grant us. It will be very interesting to see if I am right about this, and the database registration requests are denied, pending verification of some fashion that all other options have been exhausted. I really really hope I'm wrong about this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 This is years away. Stay calm carry on. Still using my block 27 and 28 with NO problems... I finally see a reason to allow an alias name on JWSound. Hi, my name is Brooks, and I'm a Block 27 user. I am using my real name, as I have sold off this block, and I have been block 27 free for one month now. It's one day at a time for me....but with a support group, I know I will make it.....and it's getting easier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldmixer Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Ha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afewmoreyears Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Look at the bright side.... maybe ALL of the freqs will go away making it impossible to use ANY wireless mics.... Then we could go back to the old style of a wide, then nicely miked singles for coverage... just like the old days.... No more 4 cameras doing wide and tights at the same time.... They will have to adjust the way THEY shoot... for once... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 " Hi, my name is Brooks, and I'm a Block 27 user. " Hi Angelo Brooks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordi Posted April 29, 2013 Report Share Posted April 29, 2013 Look at the bright side.... maybe ALL of the freqs will go away making it impossible to use ANY wireless mics.... Then we could go back to the old style of a wide, then nicely miked singles for coverage... just like the old days.... No more 4 cameras doing wide and tights at the same time.... They will have to adjust the way THEY shoot... for once... LOL... Can I get some of whatever you are smoking? That is some gooooooood ganja. The camera clowns changing how THEY shoot? Yea, right! More likely, they will just continue to add even more cameras until they get to that complete circle rig that was used on The Matrix... With a hypercardioid stuck onto each camera. Should we lose all wireless frequencies (This is not an unheard of possibility)... The camera teams will just finish the job and not use location sound at all. Good luck to the post guys then! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted April 26, 2016 Report Share Posted April 26, 2016 Mark Brunner, Senior Director, Global Brand Management, Shure Incorporated, on what wireless users need to know: http://www.mixonline.com/news/featured/incentive-auction-and-what-it-means-wireless-audio/427312 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted April 27, 2016 Report Share Posted April 27, 2016 6 hours ago, John Blankenship said: Mark Brunner, Senior Director, Global Brand Management, Shure Incorporated, on what wireless users need to know: http://www.mixonline.com/news/featured/incentive-auction-and-what-it-means-wireless-audio/427312 Nice write up. Should be interesting to see how these guard bands work out. I have a decent amount of gear in the 600mhz range and I'm getting anxious... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/0002/fcc-releases-incentive-auction-clearing-target/278576 Looks like we completely lose block 23 and some of 22 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 2 hours ago, Shastapete said: http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/0002/fcc-releases-incentive-auction-clearing-target/278576 Looks like we completely lose block 23 and some of 22 So the FCC rakes in $25+ billion and then we all get forced to spend tens of thousands in new gear with less bandwidth to work with... Sounds wonderful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 I'm going to work my stuff in that range until they blow me off the air or arrest me. With that announcement none of the stuff I have in that range is going to sell for much anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 what is the ticket 4 hours ago, Shastapete said: http://www.tvtechnology.com/news/0002/fcc-releases-incentive-auction-clearing-target/278576 Looks like we completely lose block 23 and some of 22 I don't care with Zaxcom ZHD and AudioLTD1010. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Lets not lump these 2 together Rado. ZHD allows 4 times the density of the other system. While both may fit your needs I would not want anyone to think they were the same in this respect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 29, 2016 Report Share Posted April 29, 2016 Glenn, Talking about the general idea with new digital wireless fiting more freqs in small space is not a big deal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 We can disagree on this but IMHO fitting more frequencies in less space is the most important thing for some of our customers. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 Glenn: Based off of this news, will Zaxcom be releasing transmitters/receivers that covers the 470mHz to 560mHz 100 mHz range? As things stand now, Zaxcom's product is unable to tune 1/2 of the frequencies that are useable for sound mixers after this rule comes into play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted April 30, 2016 Report Share Posted April 30, 2016 This is a scenario in my future. I am hired to work along side a big event: Grammy, ACM, Billboard, boxing ,UFC ect... RF boss gives me one freq lets say 555.500 I put 4-8 mics in that space and am golden. I was worried before but since the introduction of the Zaxcom ZHD and the AudioLTD1010 I am not worried anymore. I will make it work . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAB414 Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 I'm interested to see Lectro's response to this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn Posted May 1, 2016 Report Share Posted May 1, 2016 It is sad to see the FCC reallocate so much of the spectrum we currently use and call our own. Zaxcom has been planing for this day for years. While the day we have to stop using these frequencies is still a few years away it is now certain that it is coming. It may also be coming with new rules for narrower channel spacing than is currently allowed. Because customers need to make purchase decisions today that have implications for the gear they will use long after the 125MHz has been taken away, I am very pleased that we can offer two ways forward. Both internal transmitter recording and ZHD transmission. ZHD will allow for greater numbers of transmitters to be used going forward than with current frequency allotments and current wireless microphones in use today. It was our goal to maintain as much compatibility as possible with current hardware to allow our customers to retain the most value they could from their current hardware. As we move forward with the release of ZHD wireless we hope that many will find that these changes enhance operational range and resistance to interference. If new frequency bands are available to wireless users we will look at making hardware to utilize them. However there is no place like UHF. VHF antennas are impractical for body packs and 900MHz and above have issues with RF absorption. With the space left in UHF we can support any size production with our new ZHD technology. Glenn Sanders President Zaxcom Inc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Ear Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 Has there been confirmation from the FCC that we will actually be able to operate in the guard bands yet? I know that has been the working plan, but I haven't seen official confirmation that it's true, or if we'll share it with unlicensed devices. If so, seems likely I'll be able to continue using my blk 24&25 wireless, although in a limited spectrum. I'm also curious to find out how much more crowded the available spectrum will become do to channels being repacked instead of going off air. Won't know until after the auction, I'm sure most areas won't be too affected, but in the major markets I could see more difficulty. Guess i'll have to wait for the auction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAB414 Posted May 2, 2016 Report Share Posted May 2, 2016 I'm wondering if B1 and C1 are still going to be OK, like at all. And if not, what Lectro is prepared to do for customers who have recently purchased them. Guessing not much since these changes won't start for another three years or so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 I'm wondering if B1 and C1 are still going to be OK, like at all. And if not, what Lectro is prepared to do for customers who have recently purchased them. Guessing not much since these changes won't start for another three years or so. Most of B1 will be usable. C1 won't (in the USA), but it hasn't shipped yet. Anyone buying wireless gear today should already be aware that they will have some decisions to make in a few years. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted May 4, 2016 Report Share Posted May 4, 2016 J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted May 5, 2016 Report Share Posted May 5, 2016 It looks like we may lose even more spectrum than anticipated:http://blog.rfvenue.com/incentive-auctions-begin-may-31/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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