Christian Spaeth Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Yeah, of course I wasn't serious. Talking about companies shooting themselves in the foot, I have a strong feeling that Apple will do the same with Logic X as they did with FCP. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Except pretty much everything I have done, the director, then the producer and Associate Producers decide where what is done. The sound designer/editors have little to no say. And they will pick a facility. And at that point, what the facility uses, is the format that will be used. And where I am, that's pro-tools. OK, on the films I do they ask for my input and usually follow it. I've found facilities to be very accomodating of my requests re format and what I bring them--just lucky I guess! philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 It's true that you should know Pro Tools. But things are happening, and this little move might just make things move even faster. Some companies will Reap the benefits of this (ah did you see that! The pun?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwstudios Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Interesting, I never would have guessed biz was so good that the post houses would refuse to take an OMF file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAN HUMPHREYS Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Just a potentially hypothetical question.... IF Avid/Protools were to fold in the future and not be bought by another company where does the ensuing fallout leave the industry? Do owners and post facilities have a back-up plan in place already or a preference for another system? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Liston Posted April 12, 2013 Report Share Posted April 12, 2013 Eeuw. Waves. Worst sounding plugins there are. I happily got rid if all the waves plugins in my Dialog/Music mix template. Good luck switching to anther DAW if you want to be compatible with anybody in major part facllties in the US. As usual on most things Post, I agree with Mr. Henchman. I guess for those of us making a living at it, paying $900 after 1.5 years doesn't seem so bad after buying some Schoeps... RTAS had to go. It is sad, but we've all known this for the last year and a half. The 64 bit processing just had to happen. They said it when 10 came out in a very non-Avid way actually. And working in Logic or Nuendo in surround is just crazy. Yeah, Avid is a strange company, but is seems that the audio side is actually listening to customers as 9 and 10 opened things up more than any other release. Jesus, clip gain! Can't drag a stereo clip onto two mono tracks, man I do that 90 times a day when mixing a TV show. On Logic you have to buss and re-record. Waves sucks. Good riddance. Man, people complain about avid in the same post as loving waves? The whole WUP thing, remember? I've been phasing out my waves usage over the last 5 years (stuck with 7) and am ready to leave it on the roadside. I too use the Duende and I'm not sure if SSL is going to make it. The Duende system has been shall we say, cantankerous since its inception. I've been reaching to the Sonnox stuff more and more. I'm still getting some clipping at odd places with the Duende that has me worried. If you guys are worried about money just use Ardour or Reaper. After messing with Jack for Ardour I gave up. Reaper looks pretty cool though. But hey, I get asked if I use Pro Tools all the time. I've never been asked if I use any other program from people that hire me. For me know, back to work on my PT 10 CPTK machine with RME hardware that has been an awesome workhorse mixing over 30 television episodes alone last year. Didn't miss a deadline or have any mixes rejected by a network. Much of it was edited and organized on a plane using my laptop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 It's true that you should know Pro Tools. But things are happening, and this little move might just make things move even faster. Some companies will Reap the benefits of this (ah did you see that! The pun?) Forget about Reaper catching on. That's like people who have been waiting to be able to live in the middel of nowhere, and get to develop a career in post, because the Internet makes it unimportant where you live. Because its so easy to transfer sessions back and forth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Interesting, I never would have guessed biz was so good that the post houses would refuse to take an OMF file. No. There are so many editors, they don't have to deal with someone who isn't going to deliver something they know will work for sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Btw, fantastic Eq plugins are DMG Audio Equick, Equality and they just released Equilibrium, which Im just about to get for the coming season. Equick absolutely rocks as a replacement for Q10 notching. I also use a variety of UAD plugins now. And the soundquality of my dIalog has improved since dropping all waves plugins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 32 bit RTAS COULD have worked with the new 64 bit platform. It's not a lot of work but it CAN happen without too much effort. The only reason it doesn't exist in 11 is because avid didn't want it to exist in 11. Sure, it may be an old format, and it may be clunky, but it still worked and people still own a lot of those plug-ins. you can move on to the new AND keep the old if you wanted to, which would have been much preferred. Especially as quite a few manufacturers have not jumped on the AAX bandwagon yet. (and many wont) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 32 bit RTAS COULD have worked with the new 64 bit platform. It's not a lot of work but it CAN happen without too much effort. The only reason it doesn't exist in 11 is because avid didn't want it to exist in 11. Sure, it may be an old format, and it may be clunky, but it still worked and people still own a lot of those plug-ins. you can move on to the new AND keep the old if you wanted to, which would have been much preferred. Especially as quite a few manufacturers have not jumped on the AAX bandwagon yet. (and many wont) So you're an experienced software designer as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I work with a group of very experienced software designers.(engineers) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I work with a group of very experienced software designers.So I know some great musicians. Doesn't make me a great musician. Why would they continue using something you admit is clunky? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Some I know some great musicians. Doesn't make me a great musician. Why would they continue using something you admit is clunky? because even though it's clunky, you can still use it, especially when it is still your only option when it comes to using products you have grown to love and enjoy working with. You can mock me all you want, but the fact is that making 32 bit plugins work in a 64 bit environment can be done without a ton of effort. Most other DAWs I can think of that have gone to 64 bit can do it... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 because even though it's clunky, you can still use it, especially when it is still your only option when it comes to using products you have grown to love and enjoy working with. You can mock me all you want, but the fact is that making 32 bit plugins work in a 64 bit environment can be done without a ton of effort. For some, clunky isn't acceptable. Some strive for better, not clunky. And nobody is forcing anyone to upgrade to 11. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 They were good enough for how many years? good enough where avid forced RTAS to be the only format used in PT, good enough to still be used when you need it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bondelev Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Although the CPTK is being discontinued, if you had it, you can upgrade to PT 11 HD and run it on any system, without their hardware. Also, you can run 10 and 11 on the same system, so if you really need some old plugins you can open in 10 and print the effect to disc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 They were good enough for how many years? good enough where avid forced RTAS to be the only format used in PT, good enough to still be used when you need it. They were good enough in their old software. Now they are moving forward. And leaving the bad behind. Deal with it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ccsnd Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I will deal with it. by switching to another DAW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 I will deal with it. by switching to another DAW Cool. That's your perogative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 the fact is that making 32 bit plugins work in a 64 bit environment can be done without a ton of effort. Is it possible, though, that initiating a 32-bit plugin in a 64-bit ProTools slows down the performance of PT, more than Avid would want? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henchman Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Is it possible, though, that initiating a 32-bit plugin in a 64-bit ProTools slows down the performance of PT, more than Avid would want? Ccalandro just wants to complain. Most developers I've seen havent been charging for AAX updates. Of course waves charges for everything. Until the people who write the checks change platforms, I'm sticking with the standard. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Well, I'm going to make my little PT rig v11 as soon as I can--for what I use it for the new stuff, esp metering, is very interesting, and fortunately I didn't ever get around to buying CPTK (though I meant to!) and don't have RTAS plugs except WAVES and they've been kind of fired around here for some time on all my DAWs. With Apple moving forward so fast with OS changes it may be that Avid caught wind of something coming re new macs and is getting out ahead of it. I was a little surprised that PT11 followed PT10 so fast, but folks, be glad they are trying, really working on the app still after all this time. They didn't really have to do this upgrade--as is constantly pointed out they kind of own most of all studio audio biz, music and post anyhow. Some other DAW makers are very slow and casual about improvements--if I got to choose I'd take paying for new features over not paying and waiting endlessly for things that annoy me every day to be fixed. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Earmuffs Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Forget about Pro Tools and Nuendo. Just wait till Apple comes out with Logic X. Hitler learns the truth about Final Cut X. http://m.youtube.com/#/watch?v=cNqfKDQrBrA&desktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DcNqfKDQrBrA Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nwstudios Posted April 13, 2013 Report Share Posted April 13, 2013 Avid caught wind of something coming re new macs and is getting out ahead of it. philp With the desktop market dying off I don't see any of the computer makers putting serious R&D money into work stations. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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