bigbenboom Posted April 17, 2013 Report Posted April 17, 2013 So no one is really talking about the new Nagra recorder at NAB, and possbily for good reason. I had to go on Reddit to find out about it. Here is a Trew Audio with the machines highlights. First of all, I think Nagra is a great company, but I don't fullly understand the point in making a new 2 track TC recorder. Lot's of companies already make these, and Nagra's prices will probably not attract anyone who needs just a simple two track TC recorder. That being said, I think the metadata/IFB transmission through Wifi is genius! It could be a great alternative to Zaxnet if done right, but, still, it is in a two track machine. It seems almost like a step backwards from the Nagra VI. I do a lot of multi-track unscripted work, so this was not made for me. Who do you guys think this was made for?
Cloud Wang Posted April 17, 2013 Report Posted April 17, 2013 Nagra 4.2D WIFI/3G fits the name better....
Tom Visser Posted April 17, 2013 Report Posted April 17, 2013 Two mic preamps, small (relatively), mechanical record knob, top notch electronics, timecode, jury is out on the touchscreen... I told John Owens that I would buy one when it is ready to ship, pending some review on its entire functionality. The lack of timecode was one of the things stopping me from buying the LB, they seem to have addressed it with the VII. The VII is not about being the cheapest, smallest, or most efficient way about recording 2 tracks, but does it reliably - mission critical (assuming it inherits that trait from its pedigree), and without compromise. I would enjoy taking this out to record interviews or capture some ambiences and SFx.
AB Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 Is it manufactured in China like the LB? (I believe the VI is made in Europe). And any idea on pricing? Availability?
bigbenboom Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Posted April 18, 2013 I don't really have any of those answers. I skimmed Nagra's website, and didn't notice anything about the new recorder. The above video is all I have seen about it.
David Waelder Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 Is it manufactured in China like the LB? (I believe the VI is made in Europe). I can confirm that the Nagra VI is made in Switzerland. Or, at least it was when it was introduced and I've heard nothing about any change. And I can confirm that the LB is made in China to Nagra specs. I have this information from a Nagra representative. But I don't know anything about the new recorder. David
dominiquegreffard Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 It is unfortunate that it is just two track because the feature list is impressive, design nice and i m sure it is reliable. It's gonna be hard to compete.
studiomprd Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 So far Nagra7 is a prototype, made and being developed and tested in Switzerland. " It's gonna be hard to compete. " one more time: "Attention JWSOUNDGROUP shoppers... you are not the target market for the NAGRA7"
dominiquegreffard Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 you are not the target market for the NAGRA7" So swiss people don t want to go over two track?
bigbenboom Posted April 18, 2013 Author Report Posted April 18, 2013 So swiss people don t want to go over two track? Ha ha!
Michiel Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 Another strange machine from Nagra.. Who will use this in the field? Very lumpy for a two track field recorder. It feels more like some 'gadget for the rich'. Just like the Nagra LB. I have used the LB and it is just so incredibly weird to operate. (Two displays and only the top display can access the in depth settings.)
studiomprd Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 " Who will use this in the field? " " one more time: "Attention JWSOUNDGROUP shoppers... you are not the target market for the NAGRA7" " Even the original Nagra's were not designed for movie use... they were designed for... wait for it... RADIO
atheisticmystic Posted April 18, 2013 Report Posted April 18, 2013 " Who will use this in the field? " " one more time: "Attention JWSOUNDGROUP shoppers... you are not the target market for the NAGRA7" " Even the original Nagra's were not designed for movie use... they were designed for... wait for it... RADIO Another brilliant entry from Encyclopedia Senatoria !!! Bravo Professor, I didn't know that.
Marc Wielage Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 I think somewhere on the Nagra website they casually mention that a large part of their income in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s was from the espionage business. Who knew?
bigbenboom Posted April 19, 2013 Author Report Posted April 19, 2013 " Who will use this in the field? " " one more time: "Attention JWSOUNDGROUP shoppers... you are not the target market for the NAGRA7" " Even the original Nagra's were not designed for movie use... they were designed for... wait for it... RADIO I know that, Senator. That's why I started the thread. I want to know who is using it and how. The thing I really like about JW Sound is I can get other mixers' perspectives. Maybe learn a new way to approach a problem, or a new use for a piece of gear. Beside, I didn't know radio guys had a crucial need for timecode transmission through Wifi.
Tom Visser Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 This device is for me and I'm going to use it a lot for 2 channel type jobs.
bralleput Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 I think somewhere on the Nagra website they casually mention that a large part of their income in the 1960s, 1970s, and 1980s was from the espionage business. Who knew? " Who will use this in the field? " " one more time: "Attention JWSOUNDGROUP shoppers... you are not the target market for the NAGRA7" " Even the original Nagra's were not designed for movie use... they were designed for... wait for it... RADIO Nagra 3 made the transition to the filmset,mini Nagra (build for espionage) also made it to film because of VEGA and HMI,Micron transmitters not being the most reliable......So why not give all the actors a small recorder!?Post production nightmare.....
Michiel Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 This device is for me and I'm going to use it a lot for 2 channel type jobs. Why is it for you (Apart from the cool looks ) ?
Tom Visser Posted April 19, 2013 Report Posted April 19, 2013 Some might say cool looks, some might say "retro" with the rotary switch, but for me personally, I find the mechanical action of the main transport, that is, a large tactile control personally comforting, and from experience, ultimately reliable. I hate funky little toggle switches or other unintuitive control features. Believe it or not, the only reason I don't currently own a 664 is because of my dislike of the transport joystick. I've used 552 and 788T's on plenty of jobs, and although I can comfortably make my way through a work day on those machines, I inherently don't like the recorder functions on either, especially the 552. (although my opinion of the 552 as a mixer is A+ and the 788 w/ CL8, maybe a C+). I know that I'm particular, perhaps not even completely sane, but those are my standards and right now, other than the Fostex PD204 and older Nagra V or ARES machines there really aren't any two channel recorders, that I'm totally thrilled with from a user interface perspective. Although I've discounted for now the 664 and Nomad / MAXX types of machines, I'll either slug it through with my Nagra VI for cart use or low-track count bag duties, and have my eyes very intently focussed on whatever Sonosax and Aaton are going to do with the new offerings.
Glen Trew Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 To me, this is actually one of the most interesting new products shown at NAB this year, and meeting the new director of the company was refreshing and encouraging, too. The Nagra 7 is an ideal recorder when a very high quality 2-channel recorder with mic preamps and 192kHz is needed. I am imagining that sound efx gatherers will embrace it (they often want stereo images originating at high sample rates so they can be slowed down to a target rate of 48k). Having timecode capability makes it is also useable as a sync recorder, all for an estimated price of low to mid US$3k. For these uses, the WiFi and some other options aren't needed, which can save quite a bit off of the fully-loaded estimated price of US$5k. The new director of Nagra says that this product the features of this product is a return to a market-driven philosophy, which is a welcome change from the former policy of attempting to drive the market. This product could be the start of Nagra returning to the mainstream. Glen Trew
studiomprd Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 " the espionage business. " SN = Spy Nagra absolutely designed for FBI and other agencies... " because of VEGA and HMI,Micron transmitters not being the most reliable...... " perhaps a bit of over simplification, as even today, most of our low power, RF transmission systems are fairly limited... espionage type needs are not for high fidelity as for range, penetration , etc. " why not give all the actors a small recorder!? Post production nightmare..... " typically only one or two... not so bad, really " why I started the thread. " OK, yeah there will be a few of us, but mostly not for us... " a market-driven philosophy, " and "we" are not that target market. " This product could be the start of Nagra returning to the mainstream. " This product could be the start of Nagra returning to the professional recorder mainstream, even if not especially to "production sound" at this time...
Constantin Posted April 20, 2013 Report Posted April 20, 2013 and "we" are not that target market. Why not? What makes you so sure?
AB Posted April 21, 2013 Report Posted April 21, 2013 This is great news. Please let us know when it is in stock. THANKS. To me, this is actually one of the most interesting new products shown at NAB this year, and meeting the new director of the company was refreshing and encouraging, too. The Nagra 7 is an ideal recorder when a very high quality 2-channel recorder with mic preamps and 192kHz is needed. I am imagining that sound efx gatherers will embrace it (they often want stereo images originating at high sample rates so they can be slowed down to a target rate of 48k). Having timecode capability makes it is also useable as a sync recorder, all for an estimated price of low to mid US$3k. For these uses, the WiFi and some other options aren't needed, which can save quite a bit off of the fully-loaded estimated price of US$5k. The new director of Nagra says that this product the features of this product is a return to a market-driven philosophy, which is a welcome change from the former policy of attempting to drive the market. This product could be the start of Nagra returning to the mainstream. Glen Trew
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