Jack Norflus Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 It was suggested in the Nomad thread that there should be a separate Auto-Mix thread so Auto-Mix posts don't get lost in the massive Nomad thread. So I guess this should be the place to post Auto-Mix setting, thoughts and comments. Happy Mixing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Good thinking, Jack. We just need to be careful that we don't make so many uber-specific topics. Auto-Mix is new, there are lots of questions, this is a good topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nysounds Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can auto-mix on Nomad be used with a combination of digital and analog inputs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Can auto-mix on Nomad be used with a combination of digital and analog inputs?Yes - you can activate any combination of all 10 of the analog inputs and 8 digital inputs for a total of upto 18 channels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominiquegreffard Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Good idea to start an automix thread. I m doing a gig next week with 8 people talking in a non scripted manner and i d like to get as much info about other people s recipes. As noted here and on the zax forum. The automix enabled 6.01 software is still considered beta so keeping a formatted card with a 5.16 version is a safe best i anything goes wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 " We just need to be careful that we don't make so many uber-specific topics. " exactly...,. we wouldn't want to get confused with Zaxcom's own support site... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominiquegreffard Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Some automix settings from the other nomad thread: These are jack's settings: I am not sure what the default settings are but this is what I am currently using: Mode: Post Fade Mic On threshold -23dB Attack 1ms Decay 90ms Noise reduction (will vary depending on the room) Anywhere between 0 and -5dB Attenuation -30dB These are nate's settings: Post Fade Mic on Thresh -30 Attack 2ms Decay 80ms Noise reduction -3dB Attenuation -30 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryan Coomer Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Yes - you can activate any combination of all 10 of the analog inputs and 8 digital inputs for a total of upto 18 channels. I haven't had a chance to update our demo Nomad, but how does that work? I thought the maximum was with input configuration 7, which is 6 analog and 8 AES, for a total of 14. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted August 22, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Ryan You are correct. I re-read my post and can see how it can be misunderstood. Auto-Mix gives you 18 input channels to choose from but you are limited to current input configurations with regard to which inputs can be use together. Given that one of the items on Howy's plate is to add additional input configurations - if one of those will be all 18 inputs simultaneously I'm not sure yet. But if it is possible it will be added. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate C Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 Here is the reposting of my post from the Nomad thread. OK used autoMix today. I was impressed. Certainly made my job much easier. It was one of those four people around the table with a host asking questions all in a conversational manner. It switched between mics almost seamlessly and the back grounds remained smooth. I like the way which mic is open is displayed. Not saying it is perfect, but it is a damn site better and quicker than I could possibly be on a non scripted situation. Look forward to using it again and adjusting some of the settings. Sometimes clothing rustle of a non speaking subject would be louder than the Mic open threshold and make it into the mix. Alas I had one subject with an all synthetic wardrobe who would constantly nervously played with her clothes. A combination of fading her out when not contributing and AutoMix really helped. I know at the end of a three hour interview I handed in something the editors will be happy with. I had my setting at: Post Fade Mic on Thresh -30 Attack 2ms Decay 80ms Noise reduction -3dB Attenuation -30 I have limited experience with auto mixers, but next time I use AutoMix on the Nomad I will change the Mic on threshold to -25db. Other settings I need to play around with. Honestly, AutoMix wasn't that high on my priority list and I don't know how often I will use it, but it is a tool I sure am glad to have and look forward to refining. Ok must get ready for work now. Alas no call for Automix today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 " Not saying it is perfect, but it is a damn site better and quicker than I could possibly be on a non scripted situation. " finally, some folks are catching on.... I started using a Shure FP-410 instead of an FP-33 waaaay back .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted August 22, 2013 Report Share Posted August 22, 2013 " Not saying it is perfect, but it is a damn site better and quicker than I could possibly be on a non scripted situation. " finally, some folks are catching on.... I started using a Shure FP-410 instead of an FP-33 waaaay back .... you're a great pioneer, Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 I love the fact that Zaxcom is providing user-adjustable settings for the automix settings! I'd sure like to see Sound Devices do this with the 788... Here is the reposting of my post from the Nomad thread. OK used autoMix today. I was impressed. Certainly made my job much easier. It was one of those four people around the table with a host asking questions all in a conversational manner. It switched between mics almost seamlessly and the back grounds remained smooth. One thing I've done to "cheat" is to keep the host's mic up 100% of the time, and let Automix just switch the participants. I've used both the Shure 810 and the SD 788, and they usually keep up amazingly well, even if people step on their own words and so on. The trick is when you have people with lavs and you run into the danger of crosstalk from people sitting too close to each other, and that requires a lot of user intervention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim M Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Is automix assignable to the IFB/zaxnet or only the outputs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 automix settings! I'd sure like to see Sound Devices do this with the 788... Well, in my experience, the 788's automix default setting are pretty good. I do not wish to change them. It is like the limiter's setting : I only use two of them one for low budget (hard knee) a one for better budget movies, with much time for post (soft knee). I do not need more than that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted August 23, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Is automix assignable to the IFB/zaxnet or only the outputs? Yes it is. Auto-mix is routed to output bus 1. You can then assign output bus 1 to any one of the card tracks, tape out, IFB out, mono out, HP1 and Hp2 out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnathan Sessoms Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Played with it today, finally. Pretty neat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim M Posted August 23, 2013 Report Share Posted August 23, 2013 Excellent thx Jack. Sent from my SCH-I535 using Tapatalk 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Martin Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 I had a few moments to try it out today while an interview was set and lit (quite slowly!) Really nice feature so far! One thing I am not sure I am doing right. When set to Post Fade, it behaves as I would suspect an auto mixer to work. Fading down the pot all the way mutes that channel. 12 O'clock brings it up to unity. These fader adjustments are taken into account when the auto mixer determines if a channel has crossed the threshold. All makes sense to me so far. However, when I set it to Pre Fade, even with the faders down the auto mixed signal is still present. Fading up a particular pot puts the unaffected signal back into the mix, along with the automixed signal of that track. So if a channel is active, putting that fader at 12 oclock essentially just doubles the signal. I thought the pre and post fade option simply referred to where the auto mixer was receiving its signal. Sort of like a Inserting a physical box or plugin In the signal flow. Shouldn't the pot still have full control over the final output of the channel? I guess I am thinking of it like inserting a Dugan Automixer on a console. If it is inserted pre fader (meaning the fader has no effect on when a signal crosses a threshold) the fader still has the ability to fade that gated or ungated signal from 0 to max. I double checked that nothing else was routed to Out 1 and that my monitor selection was only output 1 to be sure I wasn't listening to anything else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Yes it is. Auto-mix is routed to output bus 1. You can then assign output bus 1 to any one of the card tracks, tape out, IFB out, mono out, HP1 and Hp2 out. Kind of wish it could go to either one or two. I was looking to keep my host on out one, and automix the other three people to channel two. We've had the host separate on channel one for four years so I don't think the editor would be happy if I switched it up now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Kind of wish it could go to either one or two. I was looking to keep my host on out one, and automix the other three people to channel two. We've had the host separate on channel one for four years so I don't think the editor would be happy if I switched it up now. ...could you just reverse the cabling? Or just route output 1 to track 2 if recording internally... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 Kind of wish it could go to either one or two. I did speak to Howy about this - he said that he would look into enableing this. Stay tuned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Martin Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 And also, what exactly does the "noise reduction" affect, and how? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted August 24, 2013 Author Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 The noise reduction attenuates the background audio/noise when no speaker is talking. So for example if you had an air conditioner on in the room when no one is talking the sound of that air conditioner is attenuated by the amount you selected in the noise reduction menu, if turned on. I played around with this setting and even though the setting goes down to -10dB I generally found that -3 was often a good amount of attenuation. So far my thoughts regarding noise reduction is a little goes a long way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fieldmixer Posted August 24, 2013 Report Share Posted August 24, 2013 This is quite the feature set. Remember everybody, the rule about automix club is that there is no automix club. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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