Influxaudio Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Hi guys I have a job coming up where there isn't a budget for a boom operator , recording 2 actors sitting relatively close together. I'm thinking about using two Mkh416 on C Stands directed at each actor - Are there any issues that I should be aware of , such as phase for this kind of operation. Thanks Influx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 You must to worry about "on-axis" "off-axis" rather than phase. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influxaudio Posted October 18, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Hi Vasileios I think I know what you mean but would you care to elaborate on that please ? Influx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Gandy Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I concur – but you wouldn't get massive phase issues with shotguns in such a setup. I'd be more worried about the mics not being on axis if either actor moves a little or turns their head. Plenty of people have done it before though. A single cardioid (or hyper, depending on the distance between the talent) might fare better, depending on how wide the shot is. Alternately you could set up such that you can manipulate one or both of the stands whilst watching the action, moving them to accommodate for actor movement. Or you could consider personal microphones, but if you've no budget for a boom operator then I'll assume you haven't the budget for wireless, although wired personal mics might be an option. Or you could one man band it and boom it yourself (if you can swing a boom) – at least you can respond to movements if needed. I've done that on a boat with an NTG3 at 3 ish feet between three people sitting opposite each other and produced fine results (aesthetically as well – I'm a fan of that wide sound). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Which type of work? Sit down interview? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 (edited) " You must to worry about "on-axis" "off-axis" rather than phase. " You must to worry about "on-axis" "off-axis" as well as phase. one cardioid between them, this is pretty basic stuff... perhaps you should consider Jay Rose's books at www.dplay.com...? we can't come out and do these gigs for you... Edited October 19, 2013 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 Why aren't you booming it? But the bag on the harness and swing it if they are that close together. You are over complicating something that should be rather simple Also you should know the basics of phasing Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 I agree with Senator. Usually though only one of the mics will be used in the mix, x-fading between the two. So phase will not be an issue unless they both talk simultaneously. Anyway, just use one mic. You might even be able to make it work with just one 416. properpy placed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted October 18, 2013 Report Share Posted October 18, 2013 "Influx" - what kind of job is this (doc, narrative, etc.)? what is your experience level? what sort of gear do you own? do they really not have the budget for a boom op, or is that what they are telling you? do they have a focus puller, or is the operator doing it? These are things that could help us properly answer your question. And those seeking help here are encouraged to use their name. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influxaudio Posted October 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Hi Robert. It would be a low budget web feature. have lots of experience in audio work but little in location sound which I was I was asking in the first place ! Theres definitely no budget for Boom op unfortunately. Its my understanding they would have a 1st Ac , am curious why you asked that. Looking to learn and make friends here, as stated in my other reply Influx is what i go by. Thanks for your time ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Influxaudio Posted October 19, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Thanks to everyone for the replies and advice ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 You're welcome, whoever you are. If Influx is what you go by can I search IMDB for that name and see what you've been up to? philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 And those seeking help here are encouraged to use their name. Robert Audio Raiders was founded by Kevin Bazell, a DJ, producer and sound designer who’s released music on important labels like Alternative Route, Audio Therapy, Bedrock, Perfecto and Lost Language. His productions are also featured on compilations by renowned DJs like Sander Kleinenberg and Nick Warren. Working alongside the legendary composer Harry Gregson Williams, Kevin recently added his sound to Disney’s “Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benjamin Gandy Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Theres definitely no budget for Boom op unfortunately. Its my understanding they would have a 1st Ac , am curious why you asked that. We ask because why should the cam op/DOP get an assistant but we shouldn't? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 one cardioid between them, this is pretty basic stuff... +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 (edited) " a low budget web feature. " ah, so it is a feature! wow!! sounds like "they" don't know what they are doing, either... " have lots of experience in audio work but little in location sound " IOW, you have no experience in this... sorry, we can't come out and do the gig for you... BTW: real features have boom operators! this is a professionals forum, perhaps you should tell us more about yourself in the "who I am..." thread, please... and Jeff, the only thing I recognized in your post was " Disney’s “Chronicles of Narnia: Prince Caspian.” " Ive never heard of any of those important labels, or renowned DJ's, or the legendary composer! Edited October 19, 2013 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Looking to learn and make friends here, as stated in my other reply Influx is what i go by. If you're serious about making friends here, then lurking behind a handle is probably not the best approach. If your agenda is to get free tutoring from experienced pros, SM's homework advice would serve well. There is a mountain of shared experience and wisdom in the archives -- including much detailed information on the subjects you're asking about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 <I have a job coming up where there isn't a budget for a boom operator> Well, I have one coming up where i have the two of India's best boom ops on the gig, and i'm taking most of the hit from the producer's budget to still keep it this way. I was asked if i "really needed two boom ops", etc. Sometimes, you learn more if you let someone in who can teach you a thing, while having the space to learn a thing from you... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
atheisticmystic Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Sometimes, you learn more if you let someone in who can teach you a thing, while having the space to learn a thing from you... I love this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 I am sure the IRS don't know you as Influx.... Any serious production isn't going to hire "Influx" Low budgets probably will Sent from my Nexus 4 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 credits roll... Sound Mixer: Influx ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 All right, let's let up on Influxaudio, hardly the worst offender in the "I'm not going to use my name" category. I have asked Influx to simply put a little post right here letting us know who they are, then continuing to use the "handle" should be just fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Ms or Mr Flux (or can I call you In?), If you have experience in music recording studios, it won't take long to get your head around the unique challenges of production and post sound. You might want to check out some of the books on production audio and post that get regularly recommended around here. We don't have a sticky, and I couldn't quickly find the recent discussion that lists many of them. But this search will bring up some threads that do mention books many of us like and respect: http://bit.ly/16j6mAP HTH, --Jim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 About the books. Under the JWSound logo have some "tabs". "Forum", "members", "blogs", "gallery", "resource" etc Go to go "Resource". After you will find three threads. "Hiding the microphone", "Full Services Sound Shops" and "Reading material". Click the "Reading Material". You find the treasure. Enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 19, 2013 Report Share Posted October 19, 2013 Although, as an experienced audio pro (IIRC) you will know about phase issues and when/how they occur and when they don't. I'm surprised you need to ask this question at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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