Matteo Olivari Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 Hi guys, i'm about to begin a new feature completely on shoulder and the director rely basically on the radio mics. I'll be using an Octopak and i'd like to get the best RF range that i can. I was thinking to mount a couple of log periodic antennas on the bag. Do you guys can advice me some small , light and powerful log periodic antennas or an alternative to the log periodic? Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 (edited) " feature completely on shoulder " most real features are not "completely on shoulder" and typically have at least a 2 person production sound crew. I would call this a movie, perhaps feature length, but it is almost certainly not going to be featured anywhere more significant that a crew party... " the director rely basically on the radio mics " is the director also the sound mixer ? beware: unreasonable expectations " powerful log periodic antennas " this may be a language problem, but RX antennae (sic) are not powerful " thinking to mount a couple of log periodic antennas on the bag. " this would be pretty inconvenient and awkward on the shoulder... antenna systems are frequently discussed here, including antenna systems for "bag" (aka shoulder) use. Edited October 25, 2013 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 "Best antennas for bag" Best antennas are not for bag but for the situation your are recording. My prefered set up (bag or cart) is : 2 whip antennas, 1 whip plus 1 log periodic, 2 log periodic. It depends on the situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 " Best antennas are not for bag but for the situation your are recording. " oui, touche Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbiesodd Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 real features are not "completely on shoulder" and have at least a 2 person production sound crew. Are "real features" only union? Who are you to decide what is a "real" feature? When I started in the mid nineties, I recorded a bunch of "real" feature films by myself with a shotgun and a nagra on my shoulder. Many were shot on 35mm, many had a theatrical run, some disappeared completely - but that can happen with ANY feature of ANY budget. Just because you have a poverty of original ideas, does not mean other people cannot make a "real" feature film. And I know for sure you can make a "real" feature without a hundred people on set. I'm sure Cassavettes and countless other "real" filmmakers would agree with me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 " Are "real features" only union? " no... so what is your definition of "feature", in this context..? what makes a "movie" a "feature"..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbiesodd Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 " Are "real features" only union? " no... so what is your definition of "feature", in this context..? what makes a "movie" a "feature"..? Dont' turn this around on me. You made the ignorant statements above, you should defend them or retract them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason porter Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 How about an RFVenue Diversity antenna on a boompole? Hi guys, i'm about to begin a new feature completely on shoulder and the director rely basically on the radio mics. I'll be using an Octopak and i'd like to get the best RF range that i can. I was thinking to mount a couple of log periodic antennas on the bag. Do you guys can advice me some small , light and powerful log periodic antennas or an alternative to the log periodic? Many thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 SNA600 worked really good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tim M Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 This is what I do although mounting and wielding can be difficult. Nice looking bag there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 The only thing i've found difficult with this set up is if you're getting into tight spaces and or crowded areas where people maybe bumping into you, for this reason I just detach and use a pair of tuned whips in place of the dipoles. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 getting into tight spaces and or crowded areas where people maybe bumping into you,>> in which case your dipoles will actually do the job, so obviously...and safely Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ju Griz Posted October 24, 2013 Report Share Posted October 24, 2013 When I started in the mid nineties, I recorded a bunch of "real" feature films by myself with a shotgun and a nagra on my shoulder. Many were shot on 35mm, many had a theatrical run, some disappeared completely - but that can happen with ANY feature of ANY budget. The 90's were very different times. No need for assault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hobbiesodd Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 The 90's were very different times. No need for assault. Hardly an assault. And with more Indy films being made now than in the 90s, I think my statement holds just as much weight. Besides, that wasn't my point and I don't want to hijack the OPs thread. I just want to call bulls**t on the President of Showbusiness and his remarks about "real" features. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 I would call this a movie but it is almost certainly going to be featured anywhere more significant that a crew party... Senator, you may wish to rethink this sentence. On various levels. I think you are taking issue with the indiscriminate use of the word feature rather than the word movie. Is that really such a big problem for you? In other instances you are willing to accept "a language thing", but not in this case. Why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 I also suggest the RF diversity fin antenna. Especially if you're not on a cart and need to be portable. Provides two antennas in a single point system. Can clip to a bag with a flexi mount or you can easily remote it out using the same flexi mount and available structure or a single light stand. I'll post some pics later. Attached to a petrol 601 feeding a Sennheiser quad pack. Significant improvement in range and consistency for this setup. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 " rethink this sentence. " major typo... thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 Great pix. Good illust. of how the RF Venue is helping in baggo-fast moving setups, letting the soundie be outside a room that might have dodgy RF transmissions re whips. Also nice to see the Nomad with 664 knobs! philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VM Posted October 25, 2013 Report Share Posted October 25, 2013 If you look carefuly you'll see that I do not use the log periodic antenna but it is ready... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted October 28, 2013 Report Share Posted October 28, 2013 You can always mount that diversity fin to a lightweight stand, existing structures, or to a boompole if you need to walk during recording. However, if your frequencies are good (and coordinated), you might be doing as well or even better with the on-board whips, as you'll usually be able to be quite close to the action in fictional shoots. Using one pair of antennae for all RX means splitting them, and making up for the inherent loss. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allen Green Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Another thread on this forum that covers RF Distro in a bag. I'm putting together a RF distro myself. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteo Olivari Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Thanks everybody for the very usefull advices!!! i'll let you know and post pics of my solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matteo Olivari Posted October 29, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 " feature completely on shoulder " most real features are not "completely on shoulder" and typically have at least a 2 person production sound crew. I would call this a movie, perhaps feature length, but it is almost certainly not going to be featured anywhere more significant that a crew party... " the director rely basically on the radio mics " is the director also the sound mixer ? beware: unreasonable expectations " powerful log periodic antennas " this may be a language problem, but RX antennae (sic) are not powerful " thinking to mount a couple of log periodic antennas on the bag. " this would be pretty inconvenient and awkward on the shoulder... antenna systems are frequently discussed here, including antenna systems for "bag" (aka shoulder) use. you didn't answer to any of my question. I really don't understand your point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted October 29, 2013 Report Share Posted October 29, 2013 Senator, you may wish to rethink this sentence. On various levels. I think you are taking issue with the indiscriminate use of the word feature rather than the word movie. Is that really such a big problem for you? In other instances you are willing to accept "a language thing", but not in this case. Why not? Hey Constantin, I think you're paying too much attention to that guy. I agree with you most of the time but remember: there's always the "ignore" list... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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