Rick Reineke Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 From what I've read, the Sony PCM D50 is a very good sounding set-up using it's internal mics. It does not have XLR inputs for an ext. mics though. The subsequent updated D100 was just shown at AES. I don't have hands-on experience with either and carry an H2 for audio 'snapshots'. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 " I'm well aware of the usual suspects (H4N, M10, etc.) " you are in a different world if these are your usual suspects... " It's not just about actual audible content above 20kHz, but also the computer needs to fill the blanks somehow. " it is not at all about content above 20kHz (and there is no human audible content up there! and the mic's are about useless at those frequencies...)...it is only about filling in the blanks (between samples), particularly when slowing them down... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 Sony PCM D50 will have to be pried out of my dying hands... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 " I'm well aware of the usual suspects (H4N, M10, etc.) " you are in a different world if these are your usual suspects... " It's not just about actual audible content above 20kHz, but also the computer needs to fill the blanks somehow. " it is not at all about content above 20kHz (and there is no human audible content up there! and the mic's are about useless at those frequencies...)...it is only about filling in the blanks (between samples), particularly when slowing them down...Yes, but you know, we were talking about pitch-shifting. So what was once inaudible (20kHz) now becomes audible (10kHz). So it does matter. I think the Sonosax is an excellent choice. But it's also very expensive. Then there's the Nagra, and then there is ... nothing. It's all a piece from the same heap of sh!t. Some better, some worse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 " what was once inaudible (20kHz) now becomes audible (10kHz). So it does matter. " well then you need extraordinary mic's and audio electronics, including pre's... these are not inexpensive actually, even at the higher sampling rates, typical A-D converters with their filters do not deal with audio frequencies above 20kHz... add more "expensive"... and you are looking for specialized stuff, as well... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 That's right. But in any case, recording (or not) whatever is there above 20kHz is not really part of this discussion. You just made it that, Senator. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdutaillis Posted October 30, 2013 Author Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I didn't even get an "it depends". I'm disappointed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I did a bit of research a while back, and the Olympus and Sony were top contenders. I believe the OP wants a pocket recorder to just grab something he finds interesting while out and about. The other choice might be the Rode mic thing for the iPhone. Anyone tried that out? And then you have a dual purpose recorder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Masaki Hatsui Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 http://www.soundonsound.com/news?NewsID=16605 Seems a little expensive side but you get HiRes Sound that you need. 24bit 192KHz, and wow! it also do DSD. But honestly, as their D50 quality was one of the best of this range (other than those expensive Swiss recorder), it may be a nice one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 This is interesting: "The PCM-D100 records two versions of all incoming signals: one at the level you set with the input gain controls and another identical version, 12dB quieter that is automatically crossfaded in if the main recording level clips. " Sounds familiar... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alex Mitchell Posted October 30, 2013 Report Share Posted October 30, 2013 I love my PCM-D50 for stuff like this. I even have a little kit I've built just for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 This is interesting: "The PCM-D100 records two versions of all incoming signals: one at the level you set with the input gain controls and another identical version, 12dB quieter that is automatically crossfaded in if the main recording level clips. " Sounds familiar... iirc sony were doing this on an earlier model, some years ago. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted October 31, 2013 Report Share Posted October 31, 2013 iirc sony were doing this on an earlier model, some years ago. D50 did that too. To be honest, I can't see any useful extras features in the D100 over the D50 (192kHz, wireless remote), although the locking cover for the gain knob looks good. The D1 was also very good, but expensive and I think it's also discontinued Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karri Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Thanks for the explanation on why higher sampling rates might be of use even without ultrasonic stuff you might want to get to the human range of hearing by pitch shifting. A bit embarrassing since I should've been able to deduce this but didn't think enough! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 If I'm actually out recording I take my SD and Schoeps MS rig. Buy the Nagra green bad stereo mic for your Nagra SD. You already have it and your not going to get anything better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted November 1, 2013 Report Share Posted November 1, 2013 Buy the Nagra green bad stereo mic for your Nagra SD. You already have it and your not going to get anything better. In this case, SD is for Sound Devices. But you're still correct, the Nagra SD with the green BAND stereo mic is a high-quality portable recording solution. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
engaudio Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 Happy Nagra SD owner here, it'll do 24b/96k if that helps.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBoisseau Posted November 3, 2013 Report Share Posted November 3, 2013 It would be nice if Sound Devices made a small handheld recorder with built in mics, but also with a couple XLR's so you could have the option to use any mic of your own choosing. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted November 4, 2013 Report Share Posted November 4, 2013 " nice if Sound Devices made a small handheld recorder " as if there are not already too many of these..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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