bralleput Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 I was always kind of surprised about people buying the Sonosax mixers. These are very expensive, too, and they can't do anything others can't do, too. And yet, people bought them. Why? Because they sound brilliant. And are in most aspects, brilliant, at least for those who bought them. Constantin,name me the 'cartbased mixers' that have 8-10 inputs,option for internal recording,8 direct,8 line and 8 AES outputs,4x aux per input,3x private comm...Sonosax ST...That is why I bought it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Constantin,name me the 'cartbased mixers' that have 8-10 inputs,option for internal recording,8 direct,8 line and 8 AES outputs,4x aux per input,3x private comm...Sonosax ST...That is why I bought it. There are various mixers that would almost fit the bill, from Audio Developments, PSC, Yamaha, without internal recording, but at half the price at most. Anyway, that really wasn't my point. Sonosax mixers are great pieces of equipment for those who need (and/or) want what they offer and are willing to pay a premium price for it instead of compromising in any function. It's the same with the Cantar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 well I payed a 'premium price' based on the future of more tracks: more outputs.AD,PSC and Yamaha ( 12V? yes when converted)can not be compared when it comes to outputs (maybe Yamaha?,but that is a BIG F*****).I bought a highend mixer for a heap of money that can feed at least 8 tracks to any box with (....)tracks.So now I'm recording to a 664 with a mixer that can last for the rest of my career.Nice!A recorder can last 6 (?!?) years,a mixer can last many ,many more.(Yes! I also have a Stelladat 2 (22000 USD) that I used for 6 years and is nowsitting on my stereo being part of the recordermuseum,along with the Nagra 4.2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Constantin,it is interesting that there are some No 1 brands in Germany that are the top in the Filmindustry: Arri,Sennheiser,Neumann,Schoeps,Ambient but no mixers or recorders are German(we have Swiss,American and French) Why ,do you think, is this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 Constantin,it is interesting that there are some No 1 brands in Germany that are the top in the Filmindustry: Arri,Sennheiser,Neumann,Schoeps,Ambient but no mixers or recorders are German(we have Swiss,American and French) Why ,do you think, is this? That is interesting, and I have no idea. Although there are some excellent mixer makers in Germany, such as StageTec, they don't cater to our market. Same with recorders, yes, but I don't know why this is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 well I payed a 'premium price' based on the future of more tracks: more outputs.AD,PSC and Yamaha ( 12V? yes when converted)can not be compared when it comes to outputs (maybe Yamaha?,but that is a BIG F*****).I bought a highend mixer for a heap of money that can feed at least 8 tracks to any box Actually, my AD149 has 8 iso's and stereo mix , digitally, and 2 aux outs, but not on the digital out, I think Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 "8 iso's ,a stereomix out and 2 aux" is NOT 8 line out,8 direct out,4 aux (per channel) 8x AES out.Sonosax wins.But you are right about the costs: it is huge!but don't compare it to other mixers in the market.They will lose. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 OK 4x AES out,8x digital channels output. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted September 13, 2014 Report Share Posted September 13, 2014 "8 iso's ,a stereomix out and 2 aux" is NOT 8 line out,8 direct out,4 aux (per channel) 8x AES out.Sonosax wins.But you are right about the costs: it is huge!but don't compare it to other mixers in the market.They will lose. Of course, that was just referring to your previous post that you needed to at least feed 8 channels to any box. The AD149 can do that, analog and digital. Anyway, none of this defeats my original point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dennis Kersten Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Back to the X3.. wow just wow what a recorder. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pindrop Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Back to the X3.. wow just wow what a recorder. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Some wise advice from Rado post #169? The X3 is certainly ambitious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted September 14, 2014 Report Share Posted September 14, 2014 Ambitious,pricey.It will get it's followers/buyers,and I really hope Aaton (audio and maybe camera later) will survive because they are a really special company.I'm now longing for a 664 update that has EQ' on each channel...SD please?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJW Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 See a run through of the X3 by Pascal Grillere on IPS TV http://vimeopro.com/ipstv/ips-tv-at-ibc-2014/video/105971791 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 It can record 24 tracks at 192k. That's impressive. That screen looks great, and is protected by gorilla glass. I don't know if I get the layout for bag use. It seems like it would be a little tough to mix on. Very interesting machine, I would definitely love to see one in person (NAB 2015?). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJW Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 It can record 24 tracks at 192k. That's impressive. That screen looks great, and is protected by gorilla glass. And you can use eq and delays on all 24 tracks at 192k. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Marien Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Deva 16 is $15,000 Is $5,000 extra really a dealbreaker when you're looking at your primary income-generating piece of equipment ? Maybe being french makes me biased, but I will have a serious look at the cantar when I am ready to move toward more cart work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
callou Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 For those who ask if the cantar is a good for bag use ...it definitely is! The only flaw of the X1/X2 was to be a little heavy..but it was released in 2003....the X3 doesn't weight much more than a nomad! As far i mixing in the bag the X1/X2 was already more than great.. do you know an other bag recorder with linear fader?? Having the hands in front of the screen is not a problem at all ..and the mix meter are on the right where you can see them while mixing if needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 And you can use eq and delays on all 24 tracks at 192k. Tim Hi Tim, Any words from Aaton about EQ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerascal Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 french itw during IBC: http://www.afsi.eu/news/le-cantar-x3-par-ses-concepteurs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michiel Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Well, on the positive side, you can brag to camera that your recorder costs $20.000 (Still not a Fujinon 19-90 though...) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dominiquegreffard Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 The fact that it generates an automatic .pdf sound report is an amazing feature. Looking forward to see the x-3 in a bag. I wonder how this is gonna look like with the wireless receivers in there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 This machine is definitely the most beautiful recorder out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJW Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Hi Tim, Any words from Aaton about EQ? There is comprehensive eq on all channels as well as the high pass filters that are pretty much the same as X1 / X2 - which are very good. The fact that it generates an automatic .pdf sound report is an amazing feature. Looking forward to see the x-3 in a bag. I wonder how this is gonna look like with the wireless receivers in there. Once again the reports in both csv and pdf are developments of what the X1 / X2 have been doing for years - expanded to do more tracks. Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 This machine is definitely the most beautiful recorder out there. Yyyyep ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted September 22, 2014 Report Share Posted September 22, 2014 Saw it in person today, and Pierre gave me a thorough presentation. Definitely can do a lot more than a 788T or a Fusion. Very sturdy, and very intuitive learning curve. And all in one unit without the need for additional boxes or control surfaces. It's the old Senatorium "You get what you pay for", I guess. That selector wheel on the right is VERY powerful. It does transport switching and accesses most system menus. No multiple menu levels, everything is available by either the selector wheel or individual buttons. The machine will be able to do a few file operations I haven't seen in other machines so far, and for which I use WaveAgent so far. Pierre also told me they'd implement AES42 parameter control (similar to what a Neumann DMI box does). Again I don't know another machine that can do this without a DMI or similar box. Input gain knobs will probably stay magenta, fader knobs will come in multiple colors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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