Scott Anderson Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 I hooked up an amplified speaker to X3 and a Comtek transmitter to X4 of my SD 633. Often, when camera is doing playback, I'll want to amplify the sound recorded on camera through the speaker (using a hard wire break-a-way cable with return) I haven't been able to figure out how to get return audio out of X3 or X4. Got it just fine through the headphones of course, but want to keep the speaker connected to X3. It's helpful to use the sound recorded to camera as often a director will want to watch playback to check if talent said the line right or something and as the return's already plugged into the camera headphone jack, or likely the director's already wearing a Comtek, it would be quick and easy to have sync'd sound ready for playback at any given moment. How do I get sound sent into the return 3.5 TRS jack on the right side to feed out of the X3/X4 3.5 TRS on the left side of my SD 633? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrengun Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 From the manual: "The Headphone Source in the X3, X4 Routing Screen is a special source which is a copy of the active Headphone Source. Changing the Headphone Source will change the Headphone L and Headphone R sources routed to X3 and/or X4" Firmware update may be required for this though. I'm not sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malcolm Davies Amps CAS Posted March 25, 2014 Report Share Posted March 25, 2014 From my limited knowledge of the machine not being able to do something usually means that the facility isn't available. Malcolm Davies. A.m.p.s. CAS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayer Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 From the manual: "The Headphone Source in the X3, X4 Routing Screen is a special source which is a copy of the active Headphone Source. Changing the Headphone Source will change the Headphone L and Headphone R sources routed to X3 and/or X4" Firmware update may be required for this though. I'm not sure. And on the next page: RTN signal can not be routed to X3 and X4 buses. When Headphone signal is routed to X3 or X4 and RTN signal is routed to the headphone preset, RTN signal will be present in the headphone output but not in X3 or X4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Split HP's and put a switch on it. J.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scott Anderson Posted March 26, 2014 Author Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Thanks for the responses and quotes from the manual. I was on a shoot earlier today but should have loaded the PDF on my iPhone from the Sound Devices site before posting the question... Does make me wonder though why not allow the return signal to be routed to X3 and/or X4? For now then looks like making up a cable to split the HP as you suggest JD may be the thing to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thebrengun Posted March 26, 2014 Report Share Posted March 26, 2014 Yeah, the loopback setting on the 552 was something I never used but liked the idea of! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osa Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Am I reading this correctly that the 552 loopback return function is not available on the 633? On a job right now trying to get playback to my IFB like I used to on the 552, but I am assuming it is not an option via internal routing. Heading to rtfm as soon as i get a break. Going to make a cable tonight unless I hear here otherwise. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Mayer Posted June 2, 2014 Report Share Posted June 2, 2014 Am I reading this correctly that the 552 loopback return function is not available on the 633? On a job right now trying to get playback to my IFB like I used to on the 552, but I am assuming it is not an option via internal routing. Heading to rtfm as soon as i get a break. Going to make a cable tonight unless I hear here otherwise. Ken Correct, the Returns are not available on X3/X4 through the HP L/HP R selections. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osa Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Has anyone come up with a solution for this by chance? Lately Using a 633 Cabled to camera and Using a zax camera link's ifb feed with erx's. Several times been asked to feed camera playback audio to erx's and my only answer was to throw my qrx235 on the camera quickly and turn off my camera link transmitter to quickly switch over the erx audio feeds to be from camera via the qrx. Overkill for what seems like a simple request. Was thinking of a Y cable split from my camera return cable and feeding channel 6 and potting that ch up durring playback potting other channels down. Is there any other option besides this, especially if i need ch 6 for other things? Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 are we asking for a little too much here? just saying... just wondering... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 Senatorium: you can please all of the folks on jwsoundgroup.net, never. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted July 25, 2014 Report Share Posted July 25, 2014 you could have the return come into one of your unused inputs and rout it to the desired output. is that too simple of a solution? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 Would be too simple as he needs to use all six inputs. I would use my 788 - rather than wishing my 633 was something it's not. If you feel you have to persist with 633 solution it's unplug and plug in the return. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 repatch your ifb TX to the headph out of your mixer set to hear return. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osa Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 repatch your ifb TX to the headph out of your mixer set to hear return. p Camera link's ifb tx comes from stereo L-R input feed. Going to stick with the original plan to build a cable splitting return to ch6 and pot up for playback. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TomBoisseau Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 I've been giving this issue a lot of thought. What if you built a "y" cable from the camera return AND a second "y" cable (of sorts) that went to your IFB transmitter with an A/B switch that would in one position route X3/X4 to the IFB, and in the other position connect to the "y" cable of the camera return to the IFB? Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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