Srgtfury Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Well, Does anyone have a 100% reproducible method of connecting Tc at 23.98 or 24, from Nomad and/or ERX to any RED Dragon camera, using only those components and appropriate cabling ? If so, please list the method. Thank you very much Fury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 PP: " On most of my shoots, blowing off the sync issue as being a camera dept problem is not an option. " that sounds (to me) like a bigger problem. mind you, I'm not for crudely blowing it off, but I have issues about being responsible for equipment I do not select, maintain, operate, or in any other way have control over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 PP: " On most of my shoots, blowing off the sync issue as being a camera dept problem is not an option. " that sounds (to me) like a bigger problem. mind you, I'm not for crudely blowing it off, but I have issues about being responsible for equipment I do not select, maintain, operate, or in any other way have control over. Go ahead and have your issues. I'll continue to try to help solve problems that are affecting the whole shoot (and post) if I can. Often it is the soundies who are the most knowledgeable people on the set about the TC and sync aspects of cameras anymore, so if the AC et al need help (and will accept help) I'm there. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 philip: " I'll continue to try to help solve problems that are affecting the whole shoot (and post) if I can. Often it is the soundies who are the most knowledgeable people on the set about the TC and sync aspects of cameras anymore, so if the AC et al need help (and will accept help) I'm there. " I'm down with that, but IMO that is not the same as " On most of my shoots, blowing off the sync issue as being a camera dept problem is not an option. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 philip: " I'll continue to try to help solve problems that are affecting the whole shoot (and post) if I can. Often it is the soundies who are the most knowledgeable people on the set about the TC and sync aspects of cameras anymore, so if the AC et al need help (and will accept help) I'm there. " I'm down with that, but IMO that is not the same as " On most of my shoots, blowing off the sync issue as being a camera dept problem is not an option. " It kind of is the same. There are plenty of Imperial Camera Departments who don't want to speak to soundies let alone have them interact with anything on the camera, or God forbid, admit there was something important about the rig that they don't know. But making sure there are no sync issues is a team sport (when there is cooperation) and since we all know who gets called from post first if there IS a sync issue I prefer to be proactive--it seems to work better for everyone concerned. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efksound Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 Zaxcom might have come with a solution for the ERXs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted July 14, 2014 Report Share Posted July 14, 2014 I did a project last year with 2 Epics and ERX2TCDs. Day 01 morning everything was cool. After lunch, b-cam wouldn't take jam. I tried Zaxcom and Denecke (TS-C and two SB-3 boxes) options with multiple cables and never got it to work again. At some point I had to leave not to camera to try. They didn't have any luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thope Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 I understand that fundamentally it's a red problem, but maybe the erx's worse performance has something to do with the zaxnet signal embedded in the TC. Has anyone tested the erx's without zaxnet Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 Mr. Fury was supposed to go to Red headquarters in Irvine this week to meet with the design engineers and demonstrate the problem. I'm curious if he did so and what the result of the meeting was. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 I understand that fundamentally it's a red problem, but maybe the erx's worse performance has something to do with the zaxnet signal embedded in the TC. Has anyone tested the erx's without zaxnet There is a menu item to shut off the zaxnet signal in the tc. This is factory defaulted to off so I can't imagine that is the issue that so many people are having. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted August 2, 2014 Report Share Posted August 2, 2014 marc:" Mr. Fury was... " That is Sgt Fury... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Mr. Sgt. Fury? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Johnson Posted August 3, 2014 Report Share Posted August 3, 2014 Yes I have tested the ERX at 23.98 with a dragon without zaxnet on and it does not work. In fact Zaxcom have exhausted all possibilities on this matter and it's up to Red. I wrote to Red and here is their reply. Hi Tony, I spoke to our engineers, and they are working on the solution for this problem They have found the issue and are solving it, that is the good news They have to run a stability test on the firmware when its done. this means that before you have a build solving your sync problem it will take around 3 weeks In the meantime the best work around will be using the lock-it box or the Denecke TD5 until this is resolved Please call me if you have any questions! Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srgtfury Posted August 4, 2014 Report Share Posted August 4, 2014 Mr. Fury was supposed to go to Red headquarters in Irvine this week to meet with the design engineers and demonstrate the problem. I'm curious if he did so and what the result of the meeting was. marc:" Mr. Fury was... " That is Sgt Fury... Thanking you Hon. Senator Mike... Mr. Sgt. Fury? Thanking you Marc... Well, Fury did go to RED, with a newly developed ERX firmware, by and from Howie and Glenn (can't say enough about their interest and efforts here), and RED stated that they did not want to do any further testing at this time, as they were close to a fix, on their end. FWIW, The Fury Dragon (which has to go in for servicing and is therefore not reliable as a reliable test apparatus, at this point) did NOT synch at any frame rate below 29.97 (everything higher was fine), with this new firmware attempt, from ERX's TC to Dragon. BTW, Howie is really trying here. Gotta luv his perseverance. This time he had some sort of low pass filter treatment. Stay tuned... Thank you very much Fury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Southern Posted August 5, 2014 Report Share Posted August 5, 2014 For what it's worth, I was on a shoot a couple weeks ago with Dragon that would not accept TC from an ERX, Nomad, or 744T. The camera department was very accommodating, and luckily we had some down time to test settings on all devices in the hopes of identifying user error. No luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osa Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Sorry to pile on. On a shoot with a dragon today. Same problem with a qrx235 - 23.98 at the camera and transmitting 23.98 from the bag. had to cross jam via 29.97 at the qrx to get the tc to light up and all good now. Did a workflow test on a straight up epic on saturday and it worked perfect at 23.98 all the way through. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 you can lead a dragon to time-code, but you can't make it sync. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Yes I have tested the ERX at 23.98 with a dragon without zaxnet on and it does not work. In fact Zaxcom have exhausted all possibilities on this matter and it's up to Red. I wrote to Red and here is their reply. Hi Tony, I spoke to our engineers, and they are working on the solution for this problem They have found the issue and are solving it, that is the good news They have to run a stability test on the firmware when its done. this means that before you have a build solving your sync problem it will take around 3 weeks In the meantime the best work around will be using the lock-it box or the Denecke TD5 until this is resolved Please call me if you have any questions! Thanks Interest choice of words.... whose sync problem is this anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osa Posted August 18, 2014 Report Share Posted August 18, 2014 Anyone here know the quote from yosemite?? seems appropriate. I cant get this cartoon out of my head today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angelo Waldron Posted August 19, 2014 Report Share Posted August 19, 2014 Why do you think TC is sync? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean McCormick Posted August 21, 2014 Report Share Posted August 21, 2014 All day with a Dragon using ACL203, no issues. Not sure what build was used, will try to find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Srgtfury Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 See Fury's post, as it relates to the successful transmission of 23.98 Tc to Dragon, with Zaxcom ERX!!! This requires, at the date of this missive, Dragon firmware 5.2.28 AND a 2 volt output or> setting on the ERX. Enjoy... Thank you very much Fury Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted August 27, 2014 Report Share Posted August 27, 2014 On location today with 2x Dragon 5K 23.98 no probs all green TC GEN SYNC, 1 ea SBT and Ambient sending Trilevel and TC. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted September 1, 2014 Report Share Posted September 1, 2014 Last week for me as well. Ambient/dragon combo no problem at all. Fun anecdote; we eventually got a dragon from rental company because 2(!!) epics died on set cause of hot weather here in turkey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prahlad Strickland Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 you can lead a dragon to time-code, but you can't make it sync. hahahahaha, to good erx2tcd + dragon / epic, all good now at 23.98? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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