paco de colonia Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 Hello, i´m classcal recordist and i want to make excellent recordings of small ensembles/solists with a very little setup. In 2012, i ´ve done a film job with the 702 and was very content with it. Are the micpres and AD/DA of the 633 in the same class or is there a remarkable difference? Thank you for your answers Paco Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 They are going to be in the same class. As you can imagine, being made by the same company, and designed with film and television in mind, they are extremely quiet mic pres with little harmonic distortion, excellent S/N ratio, and high dynamic range. All of this can be found by checking their manuals too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 paco: " i want to make excellent recordings " for a pro, good tools are an important resource, but it is more about the archer than it is about the arrows Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 While I don't think that asking people to search this forum before posting is always the best "advice", in this case you would find a thread a mere 6 months old started by yourself and asking virtually the same question. I think all the answers are there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 21, 2014 Report Share Posted July 21, 2014 If you like the SD sound then you'll be happy--the diffs between the SD pres are very small. If you want something "more" out of your pres, color, presence, air etc etc then you'll want to look into external pres. I've done a good deal of music work now with both 7xx and 6xx series SD and was very happy. philp Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Did a full orchestra recording with my 664 on it's first outing Just 4 tracks AKG cardiod pair high over the conductor A Sanken stereo pointed to the rear of the concert chamber Mixed and mastered by a friend and quite a stunning result Yes the SD products certainly deliver! mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wynne Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Hi Paco, The 702/788t series pres will outperform the 633 pres for that use. I love my 633, It truly is a powerhouse mixer / recorder in production sound for capturing dialogue but not the best choice for music recording when compared to the 7 series. My reasoning is the noise floor on the 633 will show up a lot sooner. I know this from real world testing and most importantly playing back in the studio monitors. Also the 633 may sound a bit bright, and not as warm and full as the 702/788t. But of course the sound of the pre is subjective to each person, but the signal to noise performace is not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 I know this from real world testing and of course reading the technical specs in the manual would give us a hint as to the actual real life numbers in regards to S/N ratio, total harmonic distortion, dynamic range, etc. Just a few things that people used to look at before considering a mic pre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Michael Wynne Posted July 23, 2014 Report Share Posted July 23, 2014 Just a few things that people used to look at before considering a mic pre. Call me an optimist but I like to believe most audio pro's still do, especially before spending valuable time or money doing real world testing or purchases. This is the beauty of demos from the usual suspects. For us I'd say "hearing" is believing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Morrow Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 The specs on the preamps in the 7xx series are much higher than those of the 6xx and sd says explicitly that the 7xx are better. How much better? Who knows. What I know is that I have never heard or been bothered by recorder hiss with the 7xx series. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 What I know is that I have never heard or been bothered by recorder hiss with the 7xx series. And with the kinds of specs we see in either of these series of machines, it is unlikely that you ever will, unless your gain structure is off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foss Posted July 24, 2014 Report Share Posted July 24, 2014 Hi Paco, The 702/788t series pres will outperform the 633 pres for that use. I love my 633, It truly is a powerhouse mixer / recorder in production sound for capturing dialogue but not the best choice for music recording when compared to the 7 series. My reasoning is the noise floor on the 633 will show up a lot sooner. I know this from real world testing and most importantly playing back in the studio monitors. Also the 633 may sound a bit bright, and not as warm and full as the 702/788t. But of course the sound of the pre is subjective to each person, but the signal to noise performace is not. you wouldn't have any audio examples of this difference would you? i'm circling the 633 at the moment. . . Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Silberberg Posted July 26, 2014 Report Share Posted July 26, 2014 I own the 633 and 788t . The 788t is a better machine, but I can't haul it around- as well as the batteries for it - so I've taken to using the 633 for recording interviews and "run & gun" days to save my back. I'm learning to love the 633, but the 788t, beyond having better mic pres, has better metering, better file security (record simultaneously to 3 storage devices) and you can turn on or off the limiter for each input - which you can't do on 633. Did we mention the 7 series mic pres are better? (PS don't dump your old 744t right away , it's a great recorder. ) Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundslikejustin Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 How is the segmented LED metering on the 788T better than the 633's display...? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted July 27, 2014 Report Share Posted July 27, 2014 probably because you can read the led metering in any kind of light? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David Silberberg Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 probably because you can read the led metering in any kind of light? Yes, I do find it easier to read the LEDs on the 788t than the 633 LCD screen. Also on the 788t you can customize the meter scale and set it as a favorite mode, useful if you are wanting to carefully watch your peaks on highly dynamic sounds. The 633 is using +20 dB as it's top of the scale. It's taken some time for me to get used to this scale ; I've been looking at 0dbfs scales on various machines for years now. Not a fault of the 633 really, just a human struggling to adapt issue... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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