jozzafunk Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Just got back from 2 weeks shooting on Ko Phangan and want another mic, something in between the 50 and cs3e I took - who's got an opinion ? - thinking cs1 because I'd like it short, dreaming of a cmit or maybe a 8060 but I haven't read great things about them - never really liked the 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSound Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 cmit would be my choice not a finer all around mic IMHO. I have 2 mkh 50 1 Cmit 1 416 Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvanstry Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Definitely the DPA 4017B-R. Give it a try. I have a Mkh50, Cmc641 and the DPA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ve7kjr Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 +1 on the DPA 4017B Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BWilson Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Recently got a DPA4017B. It is a really nice microphone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I think this is a Mercedes vs. Lexus vs. BMW comparison -- all good performers, all world-class manufacturers, all priced accordingly. Put 3 different people in a room you'll get three opinions. Hard to go wrong with any of them, depending on the circumstances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvanstry Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Indeed Marc. For me it is now a matter of knowing my mics and choosing the right one for the jobs from the memory of them and experience. But generally I go as follow: Mkh50: indoor very noisy place where I can swing the boom with confidence of who will be talking next ( due to a very sharp off axis response of the mic ). Sitdown interviews where the mic is fix and talent is not really moving. CMC641: Any material that I need to be able to use the off axis response to my advantage meaning work the mic using almost only the off axis and so be able to transfer from one talent to the next without any drastic or sudden frequency change. Perfect for documentary, scripted multi talent scenes and/or more adlib type fiction work ( does last second added lines nobody knew anything about ). Also low ceiling, reverberant room where I can get pretty close. DPA4017B-R: Everything else, meaning outdoors, run the gun where I can only choose one mic, loud environment where the mic needs to whistand high SPL level, high humidity environment, situation where I have no idea what is going to be thrown at me. My two cents... Pascal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RPSharman Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I have heard the 8060 is very different than the 60. Many people who aren't fans of the 60 are fans of the 8060. But here's my opinion... My MKH50 gets me thorough a VAST majority of indoor or outdoor work which can be captured on the boom. If it's very loud, I hear the Sanken is the king. I only every tried it in a quiet environment and found the self noise irritating. I use a CMIT sometimes, which I don't love, but when it's great it is truly remarkable. I'm not sure that there are many mics that will make enough of a difference "between" your two mics of choice if you are doing interviews and documentary work. If you are in dire need of spending $1000+ on something, evaluate if there's other gear which would help you. Perhaps something that'll make working alone a bit easier for you could be money better spent. Just my opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
osa Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 +1 for the 4017. If you use low profile xlr's, not only does it sound great in most situations, it is ultra compact in size and fits in more compact sized zepelins when needed - i believe it is a no2 i use mine in with plenty of clearance on both ends. Ken Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I, too, like the DPA, but it does not fit: " in between the 50 and cs3e " by most measures. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I, too, like the DPA, but it does not fit: " in between the 50 and cs3e " by most measures. What, in your opinion, does? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pvanstry Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Senator I disagree Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jozzafunk Posted September 15, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 Thanks for the ideas - I boomed a show with a 4017 ( not sure if it was B ) a few years back and really liked it, that seems like the top contender. It would be awesome if the 50 covered everything, this I have tried many times but it just doesn't have the reach or isolation sometimes, and I'm finding charging around with 2 blimps is causing more stress than it's worth. Have used a cmit a bit and found it's either really nice or a bit odd and have had more than one post guy express their reservations about them to me. And whilst the cs3e is amazing at picking stuff out I just don't really like the sound, though I find it's generally better upon listening back than it sounds at the time. Ive got a few options with some of the locals so will hunt down 4017/8060 and give them a whirl methinks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 It is not a good idea to compare a supercardioid with interference tube and a supercardioid without interference tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old school Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 I think this is a Mercedes vs. Lexus vs. BMW comparison -- all good performers, all world-class manufacturers, all priced accordingly. Put 3 different people in a room you'll get three opinions. Hard to go wrong with any of them, depending on the circumstances. Yep. Double yep. Triple yep. CrewC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Hirtenstein Posted September 15, 2014 Report Share Posted September 15, 2014 i know the CS3e gets praised for how well it performs in reflective interiors, but I can't bring myself to like it unfortunately. can anyone comment on whether a CMIT or the DPA4017b performs similarly well inside? thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Todd Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I have the 4017b and the CS3e and generally reach for the DPA indoors if I can't get the reach I need with my MK41. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Max Hirtenstein Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 thanks Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jason Todd Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 It's situation dependent. Occasionally the CS3e works better. I can usually tell after a take or two which will work out better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rafaeldelauz Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Sanken cs2? It's more natural than cs3, less dramatic side rejection, and give you more bite than the mkh 50. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Anyone try the new'ish CSR-2 with its rear rejection abilities? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 so I guess "it depends" on what one means by "between"..? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bassmagnetic Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 Anyone tried the 4017c? It's got a shorter interference tube than the "b", and similar looking freq diagrams, could possibly be a contender too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 18, 2014 Report Share Posted September 18, 2014 The "b" version is different than "c". The main interference tube capsule is same. The "b" version has low cut and high boost, but it is not impedance balancing with Active Drive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted September 19, 2014 Report Share Posted September 19, 2014 Sanken CS-1e Brilliant!!!!!!!!!!!! mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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