fezedi Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I know a lot of people here (and everywhere) love the 416 and use it extensively. However, is that because they have been using it for so long and haven't tried the 8060 (which I think Sennheiser hints as 416's newest replacement)? Or are there many people who have tried the 8060 and returned it in favour of sticking with the 416? I haven't had the chance to use either, and am debating which one to get for outdoor booming. I'm in Pakistan and it's noisey here so directionality and rejection of unwanted ambience is of prime importance. Also, I know there are other threads in which 8060 is discussed and loved, but I'm specifically interested in people who have exchanged the 8060 for a 416. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 (edited) welcome, fez: " people who have exchanged the 8060 for a 416. " maybe these mic's are extensively discussed, and even compared on this group. many (including me) own both... " I'm in Pakistan and it's noisey here... " there is a lot of that everywhere... there is no wrong choice here to make. Edited September 16, 2014 by studiomprd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fezedi Posted September 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Thanks senator. I suppose one mic hasn't managed to successfully replaced the other. A beautiful sign for microphones everywhere. Fez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDirckze Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 I bought an 8060 which turned out to be faulty. After the first time it had to go back to the factory I immediately bought a 416. The 8060 had to go back to the factory a further 2 times before I got sick of it and swapped it for an MKH-50. I'm sure there are plenty of faulty 8060's out there, so buyer beware. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mark LeBlanc Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 Bought the 8060 and hit the fault issue. Senn was great and replaced. Ended up back with the 416 for a few reasons. 1. In the high humidity in the swamps, it's the 1 mic I have no worries about 2. The high freq bump that's present on the 8060 is more pronounced than the 416. Exteriors with Crickets, bugs etc the 8060 really pulled the noise of those creatures way up. Interior, it just didn't fit with any existing mic in my kit. The mic Senn sent me as a replacement was rock solid and had no issues so whatever the issue was has been fixed.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OmahaAudio Posted September 16, 2014 Report Share Posted September 16, 2014 there is no wrong choice. What about jumping out of an airliner at 30,000 feet without a parachute? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 There have been quite a few criticisms of the 8050 and 8060 in past discussions. Do a search and you'll see a lot of the pros and cons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jrd456 Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 GET a 416 and don't think about it----they work ! J.D, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Johnny Karlsson Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 GET a 416 and don't think about it----they work ! J.D, . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I'm a regular 8050 / 8060 user. When I do use a 416, I notice an increase noise floor, but it still sounds good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jonathan chiles Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 I had my original faulty 8060 replaced and the new one has been good so far, hope my luck continues cause I really like it!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted September 17, 2014 Report Share Posted September 17, 2014 Don't forget about the 8040, which is my go-to mic for interiors. For those who like the Schoeps MK41 (and who doesn't) but for whatever reason want to use the Sennheiser MKH-80XX series, the 8040 is a closer match than the 8050. (The MK41 is the capsule on the US Schoeps model CMC641). Glen Trew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karri Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 (edited) Don't forget about the 8040, which is my go-to mic for interiors. For those who like the Schoeps MK41 (and who doesn't) but for whatever reason want to use the Sennheiser MKH-80XX series, the 8040 is a closer match than the 8050. (The MK41 is the capsule on the US Schoeps model CMC641). Interesting. Are there significant differences to the character of the sound between the 8040 and 8050 or is it mostly just the tighter pattern of the latter? I'm in need of an interior mic but am wondering if an 8050 is a mic one could also use as an allrounder for documentary type of situations. My current main mic is the Sanken CS3e which mostly works great but in some unscripted situations where the talents are further apart the pattern is a bit too tight (and the mic a too long for some indoors situations) edit: by allrounder I mean something that would work for most of the time, and I could pull out the CS3e for those situations where the mic's uber-rejection is required. Edited August 31, 2015 by Karri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 I bought an 8060 which turned out to be faulty. After the first time it had to go back to the factory I immediately bought a 416. The 8060 had to go back to the factory a further 2 times before I got sick of it and swapped it for an MKH-50. I'm sure there are plenty of faulty 8060's out there, so buyer beware. Sennheiser has fixed the issues. The mkh8060 is better then mkh416 in my opinion. It has wider sweetspot. Less noise. Sounds good indoors. Smaller " well mine is not smaller because I use the mzd8000 AES module You can also look in to DPA 4017C. - Great mic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted August 31, 2015 Report Share Posted August 31, 2015 Sennheiser has fixed the issues. From what I gather from some dealings with Sennheiser earlier this year, they redesigned the 8000 series preamp PCB and these have been shipping from around the start of the year. I had issues with an 8060 and Sennheiser swapped it out for a new one within a week. Newer versions seem to have a plastic ring at the end of the mic module Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 I sold one of my two 416 after I had bought my second 8060. Find myself using the 416 only as a backup, if the 8060 is too sensitive for wind noise or if HF radiation from electric installations is causing some rare issues. No probs with humidity yet. I have been an early adopter and I also had issues with my first mic, but thats been 3 years ago. Senn exchanged it and my two units have been without fault for the last 3 years. I love the 8060 sound and it's pickup especially indoors. HF boost is present, but imo smoother than 416. In interiors with not too much ugly reverb booming 1,5 m overhead can still sound like a close up. I know of no other short shotgun which can do this. cons: - susceptible to wind noise- very rare occasions of HF interference (like 3 times in 3 years)- there is an existing issue with Lectrosonics UH400a and HM plug-on Txs that can cause intermittent "sizzling" noises. Changing the Tx frequency provides short term help but I did not yet find out what really causes the issue. If it is your going to be your only (shotgun) mic and if you need 100% reliablility I would go with the 416 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 There are many nice mics on the market, and your choice is personal. However the 416 is bullet proof and everyone should own at least one. I often use the cmit5u or the mkh50, but I always carry a 416 with me regardless of the gig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDirckze Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 Or are there many people who have tried the 8060 and returned it in favour of sticking with the 416? Yep, bought it, liked it, then it became faulty and ended up buying a 416 and swapping the 8060 for an MKH50. Loved the size and weight but was just too unreliable. Not sure if the issues have been sorted out yet or not but I've long since moved on... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 again, sennheiser have fixed the problem. You are missing on a great microphone... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted September 1, 2015 Report Share Posted September 1, 2015 8040 is really great on instruments--esp violin family. Up there w/ Schoeps and some music recordists prefer it to Schoeps. We had a brace of them up in a very drafty hall with wide swings of temp (HVAC on during shows and off otherwise), no humid issues. These were well-used rental mics, far from new, so go figure. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 How is the low frequency handling on the 8060? The spec says it only goes down to 50Hz so maybe there's no need for the MZF filter module (which is not exactly the steep cut I'd prefer anyway). How does it do with just a softie for wind? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 (edited) No complaints on the low end. No need for inline filter. I now use the AES mic and have no way to low cut from the Nomad. Still have not heard it to be a problem. Edited September 2, 2015 by RadoStefanov Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
axel Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 How does it do with just a softie for wind? the 8060 is very susceptible to wind noise. You'd need at least a dedicated basket and fur solution (or cinela). Rycote#3 fits easily, but in my experience size 4 offers better wind protection. Senn provides a foam windscreen for indoor use which is more efficient than 3rd party windscreens, but colorates the sound in the way that it takes away much it's unique "airy", "open" sound impression that I like so much with this mic. With the foam put on it sounds more like the usual "shotgun". We often end up using two 8060 on two booms to avoid fast boom movements. So we can skip the foam windscreens and get the true 8060 image. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 No complaints on the low end. No need for inline filter. I now use the AES mic and have no way to low cut from the Nomad. Still have not heard it to be a problem. If you can get hold of an AES42 mode 2 controller (like the Neumann DMI-2), you can set a low cut on in the DSP of the MZD8000. I've found the 8060 to be a lot less sensitive to LF than the 8050 and 8040, though Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted September 2, 2015 Report Share Posted September 2, 2015 the 8060 is very susceptible to wind noise. You'd need at least a dedicated basket and fur solution (or cinela). Rycote#3 fits easily, but in my experience size 4 offers better wind protection. Senn provides a foam windscreen for indoor use which is more efficient than 3rd party windscreens, but colorates the sound in the way that it takes away much it's unique "airy", "open" sound impression that I like so much with this mic. With the foam put on it sounds more like the usual "shotgun". We often end up using two 8060 on two booms to avoid fast boom movements. So we can skip the foam windscreens and get the true 8060 image. Mine lives in a Rycote WS1 at all times (with MZL), even indoors as I find it sounds better than when using foam Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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