ek4 Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 hi everyone, first post here! I´m right now looking for a field recorder suite my needs.. right now the only one that seems to be it for me, is the nomad lite. or the tascam hs p82.. What i need it for: sfx recording and ambience recording. no location sound. at least 5 mic preamps. Limiter or any other solution to avoid clipping. (Neverclip:-)) 96kHz at least. Whisper quiet preamps. (should be at least as quiet as the SD 7er series..) under 6000€ Euros. The 788t is out of competition for me, cause the limiters won't work with 96kHz or above.. seems like the nomad lite and the tascam are my only options, but i will be pleased to hear other suggestions. My main concern is how will the preamps sound.. also very important, as i have some experience with the Sound Devices 7er series i wonder how the preamps compare to the 7er Series preamps regarding noise. has here anyone testing this? can the nomad or the tascam be compared to one of the 7er series from sound devices? thanks a lot! emil Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 willkommen ek4: " a field recorder suite my needs....My main concern is how will the preamps sound.. " that makes it pretty subjective... these products are frequently discussed here, and then there is the rule: 'generally speaking, you get what you pay for' " can the nomad or the tascam be compared to one of the 7er series from sound devices? " of course they can, and frequently are! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Duffy Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Blowing our horn here, but Ric Viers ("The Sound Effects Bible") is a HS-P82 user. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Rick Viers "The Location Sound Bible" www.mwp.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 A Nagra tape recorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 Oh come on Vas... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 The mic preamps on nomad are very clean and transparent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 The Nomad preamp with NeverClip offers 136 dB of dynamic range without limiting distortion. It was designed for exactly what you need to do. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 23, 2014 Report Share Posted September 23, 2014 What microphones Emil? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ek4 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 What microphones Emil? Mkh 8020, 8040, 8050 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ek4 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Also, i don´t find the EIN from the nomad. i think the 137db dynamic is not saying anything. i would really like to have the input-referenced noise level specified in dBu or dBV. The SD 7er series have -130dbu (a-weighted), which is pretty good. The tascam seem to have... just 100? no, that can not be true, must be misread there something. in the end i just have to test it. i have a 702, so i have a good comparison. problem is to get the nomad here. ambient do not really want to sell them, so it seems.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The Nomad have a good preamps (noise) and Neverclip (Superb). But have a big problem for fx, the preamps are far from flat, have a hardware "high pass" filter at 55Hz and a low pass at 25kHz (always on). IMMO This can be a problem for some recordings except vocals. I'm a happy Nomad user. but for do music recordings, I need to use external preamps and ADC connected by AES/EBU I guess that this isn't a problem for the big part of Nomad users. My measures (input to output at 96kHz with a Apogee Duet II at 96kHz fs) I believe this can be resolved with eqing (external or in the Nomad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ek4 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The Nomad have a good preamps (noise) and Neverclip (Superb). But have a big problem for fx, the preamps are far from flat, have a hardware "high pass" filter at 55Hz and a low pass at 25kHz (always on). IMMO This can be a problem for some recordings except vocals. I'm a happy Nomad user. but for do music recordings, I need to use external preamps and ADC connected by AES/EBU I guess that this isn't a problem for the big part of Nomad users. My measures (input to output at 96kHz with a Apogee Duet II at 96kHz fs) I believe this can be resolved with eqing (external or in the Nomad) oh... thats not good. especially cause i record in high frequency with my mkh8000er.. thats really true? then the nomad is out:-( (could´t it be that just the out has the filter?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonate Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 very curious about this. why would there be a hardware filter that you cannot turn off? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonate Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 on the Zaxcom.com it is written about the Nomad : Frequency response: 20 Hz to 22 kHz (38 kHz sampling-rate) I assume 38kHz is a typo, should be 48kHz? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ek4 Posted September 24, 2014 Author Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 wow, the Tascam hs p82 has an EIN of -112dbu (a-weighted). (http://www.avisoft.com/recordertests.htm) thats very poor, this ones also out.. so, of to start... maybe i have to get a mixer and a recorder.. would have whished to have it all small in one place.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 on the Zaxcom.com it is written about the Nomad : Frequency response: 20 Hz to 22 kHz (38 kHz sampling-rate) I assume 38kHz is a typo, should be 48kHz? Can be, how many plus or minus dB?. The hardware high pass is fixed. I'm sure that is a typo error (the theorical 38kHz fs bandwith is 19kHz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 With a NTI Minilyzer-Minirator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrkva Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Whoa, that looks pretty weird. Can anyone do the same measurement with SD 7xx recorder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonate Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 not so good news. love the bass. and also love the feature set of Nomad. Mr. Glenn, is that a design choice? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
resonate Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 also, how many channels can Nomad record at 96k? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 The data presented on the high frequency side of the graph in this thread is incorrect. It looks like a measurement filter is engaged on the analyzer. Nomad is flat to 22KHz. The nomad will I believe do 8 channels with a fast memory card. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zerascal Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Don't be afraid by the scale of the picture, -4.5dB at 40 Hz is not a big deal and can easily be reversed with a Low Shelf Filter on post prod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Every manufacturer need to include a graph of frequency response, all measurements (EIN, A-weighted, what Ω source etc). If have 44.1 kHz or 96 kHz, if is 24 or 16bit depth, the dynamic range and all the basics measurements which coming from factory (not the manufacturer) does not help someone. I do not thing on this graph from Ramallo has a measurement filter engaged. Also impedance on input is very important parameter because: if the microphone uses an electronic circuit (transformerless) output, a low value of load impedance will likely stress the little microphone pre-amplifier, causing slew rate and compression at high levels. On the other hand, a high value of load impedance allows the microphone to “breathe” and give of its best, this being particularly advantageous with very high level percussive sounds. If the microphone has an inductive source (such as would be the case if it has a transformer output) a low value of load impedance causes the high frequencies to roll off due to leakage inductance in the transformer in addition to the above amplifier distortion. (This can be an advantage with some microphones!). For this reason a high value of input impedance that will load microphones to the smallest possible extent and makes the best possible use of that limited “Phantom” 48 volts supply. Microphone source impedances are not the same at all frequencies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted September 24, 2014 Report Share Posted September 24, 2014 Sonosax ? new Cantar ?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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