Bash Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 It uses a neural interface which hooks into your brain which will provide most of the processing power and DSP That might not be such a good machine in my case ;-) sb Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Woodcock Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 That might not be such a good machine in my case ;-) sb I don't know about that Simon, I always look forward to picking your brain at the IPS training sessions every year :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 It is nice to read some of the speculation in this thread regarding what we might be working on. The last entirely new concept in recording was the introduction of the DevaII in 1996. Everything that has come along since has been variations on our hard disk based recording system. I have said for a long time that all non-linear location sound recording systems are all heavily influenced by the original late-1990s Deva. It's impressive that this many years later, not only is the company doing well, but a lot of those early machines are still in use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Curious if it will be the only recorder or a set of recorders to replace all the Deva and Fusion options. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 Curious if it will be the only recorder or a set of recorders to replace all the Deva and Fusion options. Seems like it. They've discontinued both the Deva and Fusion, and I'm assuming that they will be going away from moving parts altogether and going into flash memory (whether it be SSD, CF, etc). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted December 15, 2014 Report Share Posted December 15, 2014 http://soundandpicture.com/2014/12/zaxcom-announces-deva-32-ships-rx12/ 128 tracks "Producer Mode"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sonic_reducer Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I want it to flag shadows, turn off noises, lay carpets, wire without clothing noise, get a mic over evey actor's line, and say 'speed'. Oh, wait..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izen Ears Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Ok. Discontinuing the Deva is huge, and scares me. I was one of the poor souls that got totally boned by the Cameo II, and its dependence on the discontinued Motorola board. In other words, everything else worked great, but without that board the whole thing died. I got Please Glenn, tell me that Zaxcom will continue to support the Deva 5.8 and 16 for at least the next 25 years. Tell me you had the foresight to purchase shitloads of 3rd party irreplaceable parts. If you had purchased say, 200 extra Motorola boards, there'd be leagues of happy Cameo II users instead of former users with bitter holes in our hearts. Dan Izen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymz Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Ok. Discontinuing the Deva is huge, and scares me. I was one of the poor souls that got totally boned by the Cameo II, and its dependence on the discontinued Motorola board. In other words, everything else worked great, but without that board the whole thing died. I got Please Glenn, tell me that Zaxcom will continue to support the Deva 5.8 and 16 for at least the next 25 years. Tell me you had the foresight to purchase shitloads of 3rd party irreplaceable parts. If you had purchased say, 200 extra Motorola boards, there'd be leagues of happy Cameo II users instead of former users with bitter holes in our hearts. Dan Izen From the linked article, In other Zaxcom news that may be a bit shocking for some, the Deva 5.8, Deva 16, Fusion, Fusion 12, and Mix-12 all have been officially discontinued. When we asked about future support, Goodsir assured us, “Not to worry, Zaxcom will still be servicing these units for years to come.” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
glenn Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Service for all Deva 4,5,5.8 and 16 will continue without interruption. With an all new Deva32 coming out it is time for us to move on to a new generation of Deva as the current design was started 14 years ago and we have gone as far as we can with that platform. After a 12 year run It is time for us to move on while supporting our current Deva customer base. Glenn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Service for all Deva 4,5,5.8 and 16 will continue without interruption. With an all new Deva32 coming out it is time for us to move on to a new generation of Deva as the current design was started 14 years ago and we have gone as far as we can with that platform. After a 12 year run It is time for us to move on while supporting our current Deva customer base. Glenn I think a number of people here on this board owe me an apology -including Glenn Sanders. I got my ass whipped on this board for saying that the Deva was a dying machine. I am proved right in just a matter of months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted December 16, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 I think a number of people here on this board owe me an apology -including Glenn Sanders. I got my ass whipped on this board for saying that the Deva was a dying machine. I am proved right in just a matter of months. Mirror, you are not "owed" anything and there is a big difference between your blasting Zaxcom and the Deva as DEAD, declaring that it is a useless machine that people are barely hanging on to get the job done, and what Glenn Sanders has said about the future of Deva. No one has disputed that the Deva is old technology and what Glenn has said is that there is no way the old platform could support the incredible and innovative features and technology that will be the heart of Deva 32. When talking about the old technology, the big difference between what you had said (and now demanding an apology) and what we said (longtime Deva users who have continued to produce excellent soundtracks with the old technology), is the tone of your comments --- you declared the Deva (and Zaxcom to a degree) to DEAD to the world; Glenn Sanders has merely stated that the old platform will be RETIRED, making room for Deva 32. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted December 16, 2014 Report Share Posted December 16, 2014 Someone seems to be way behind the curve here. Most of us have known that a new Deva was in the works for quite some time. It's just that most of us are savvy enough to know that any new introduction doesn't immediately disable our current equipment, it simply offers new options. Yes, believe it or not, the Deva IV, V, 5.8, & 16 will still be capable of producing production tracks that can contribute to award winning sound tracks far into the future. Existing Devas aren't dying, they're simply being discontinued -- a rather important distinction for those of us who actually know the value of the technology we use. The new Devas will undoubtedly contain some forward-thinking gee-whiz features that we'll savor, and the existing Devas will continue to be worthwhile, dependable machines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Mirror, you are not "owed" anything and there is a big difference between your blasting Zaxcom and the Deva as DEAD, declaring that it is a useless machine that people are barely hanging on to get the job done, and what Glenn Sanders has said about the future of Deva. No one has disputed that the Deva is old technology and what Glenn has said is that there is no way the old platform could support the incredible and innovative features and technology that will be the heart of Deva 32. When talking about the old technology, the big difference between what you had said (and now demanding an apology) and what we said (longtime Deva users who have continued to produce excellent soundtracks with the old technology), is the tone of your comments --- you declared the Deva (and Zaxcom to a degree) to DEAD to the world; Glenn Sanders has merely stated that the old platform will be RETIRED, making room for Deva 32. I never said it was dead - I said it was dying. That is a big difference. You took great offense to me even suggesting that and wrote looong posts about how wrong I was. Even Glen Sanders was "shocked" that someone would say that. My "tone of my comments" is what you objected about but not the content? That's what you're going with? At least when I'm wrong I'll admit it. Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted December 17, 2014 Author Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Whatever. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgoodin Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 It uses a neural interface which hooks into your brain which will provide most of the processing power and DSP No that is the revolutionary part it requires no connection to the brain and works on telepathy alone. And it is powered by the muted screams of producers complaining about your package rental cost. I see it as a Win WIn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Whatever. This made me giggle. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stevegrider Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I think of it this way: Zaxcom retiring current Deva models is like Chevrolet offering a new Corvette. They may improve the model year to year, but every now and then, a redesign is necessary to keep up with the times and technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Ok. Discontinuing the Deva is huge, and scares me. I was one of the poor souls that got totally boned by the Cameo II, and its dependence on the discontinued Motorola board. In other words, everything else worked great, but without that board the whole thing died. I got Please Glenn, tell me that Zaxcom will continue to support the Deva 5.8 and 16 for at least the next 25 years. Tell me you had the foresight to purchase shitloads of 3rd party irreplaceable parts. If you had purchased say, 200 extra Motorola boards, there'd be leagues of happy Cameo II users instead of former users with bitter holes in our hearts. Dan Izen Dan, You may be confusing discontinuing the Deva 5.8, Deva 16, and Fusion with the problems of not supporting those products with replacement parts for a respectable amount of time. Discontinuing those products shouldn't matter to owners, especially since the replacement will produce the same file types (MARF original, mirrored to BWF). Keeping the same file type is a very important point because it means your 4, 5, 5.8, 16, Fusion, Nomad, or MAXX will be viable for a long time to come (as long as 8, 10, or 16 tracks are enough), because post can use those files as easily as the the files from next generation recorders. But Zaxcom keeping on hand a good supply of replacement parts is very important for the sizable investment customers have made for these machines; especially for those purchased more recently. Hopefully enough replacement parts for years to come will be stocked this time to support those who invested in good faith. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Though I love the idea of Dante, and it is exciting to see a lot of manufactures starting to rally around a unified format, Glenn's comments in a post from 2013 points towards him (and therefor Zaxcom) dismissing Dante because it could add future technical issues dealing with network protocols Hopefully I'll be happily surprised and he has had a change of heart in the past year and a half Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Norflus Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 I can safely say that that one of the features, amongst many other neat features, will be Dante. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 "Dante" is from Audinate. They can have AES67 (Ravenna) which is more open and every manufacturer can customize it in their needs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 There's a big difference between what the proposed standards are, what the hardware can technically support, and what current firmware actually does. As popular as Dante is, how it has apparently "won the format war" from a percentage standpoint, the argument could be made that market penetration is minuscule and any figures that exist now are irrelevant to the future success of either format, including a "near death AVB" because someone like Avid could come out with a few AVB products (S3L and S3) and some 3rd parities come out with a few cheap well thought out interfaces (MOTU) and the future landscape could be entirely predicated by the actions of the larger mass market than the apparent success of the installed sound and production sound communities that have currently adopted Dante. It remains to be seen how Dante and AVB in the future either merge or at least support some cross-compatibility, or one absorbs the other. Anyone still rocking Cobranet? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryF Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 According to Audinate (Dante developer), Dante will work with AVB, if the AVB group ever finish the standards. Dante is as close to a standard as there is now and for the foreseeable future and it doesn't need special routers and switches on the network. LEF Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted December 17, 2014 Report Share Posted December 17, 2014 Although I still see many companies (e.g. RME) that still release new products which frequently feature MADI, or even AES3 only, but never Dante Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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