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Nice! Thank you for posting this link. The "Nagra Stories Sound-men won't ever tell" from JBond is probably the best long running thread on the site, always providing such a wealth of history and inte

As you can see from the previous video, everyone everywhere time and time again referrers to the old Nagra SN myth, the wrong story, told so many times over and over on the internet.  I have yet to

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18 hours ago, Philip Perkins said:

For actual recording work, esp on distant locations w/o support: Nagra.  For cool-factor and hipness: Stella.  Ditto for the Stella mixer vs any other small mixer ever made. 

Having owned both I must agree. But wow, the AMI 48 was the ultimate in cool, not much headroom, though.

 

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16 hours ago, Jim Rillie said:

Having owned both I must agree. But wow, the AMI 48 was the ultimate in cool, not much headroom, though.

 

Ours became mostly an exhibit when the techs of the video house I worked at discovered those potted modules and refused to work on it.  And it needed work, often.  Yes, not great headroom, but way cool looking.

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Hi Dela!
About 1 year ago I bought a Stellavox SP7C recorder in Italy, This is a modification of the stereo. But the block of heads is mono. It is good that the heads are not red, they are more modern - silvery. The condition is very good, from below all the boards were in place and it looked good and clean. The seller said that it does not turn on ... I agreed and bought a recorder for ridiculous money! As a result, I have a stereo recorder in good condition that won't turn on. I haven't figured it out yet. Perhaps I can give it to the master for testing according to the scheme. But without changing the board modules, it will not be possible to understand the malfunction. It has a steel drive belt. Is it better to replace a steel belt with a rubber drive belt?
I'm not sure if it will ever work, but its ridiculous price ... The SP8 model, even the mono version, is certainly better than the older SP7!

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I know the feeling; apart from that I got mine for a very reasonable price, I had the same problem. The SP7 electronic design is actually quite simple, and there are ways of quickly locating the problem, but it require som knowledge about electronics. If you want it, I can try to help you along, but if you are not familiar with electronics, I would advise you to find a person to help you. He/she doesn´t need to be an expert, but it would be very helpful, if I could make suggestions for measurements and you (or your helper) can answer back about the results...

First a comment about the belt: The steel belt is a crap idea. It is noisy, and I have replaced it with a Nagra belt, which actually fits nicely. I also bought a "replacement belt" on eBay (from USA), which was way too inflexible, and the motor had to struggle quite hard. So the Nagra belt stayed in.

 

When you say that it won´t turn on, does it mean that it is completely dead, or is it "just" that the motor isn´t running? This is important to know, since the supply voltage is regulated in the SVS module, so if everything is dead, the problem is around that module. If the electronics are working, but the motor is not running, it could be the SMU module, which have a tendency to get defective.

 

You can send me a message (or an email) about your findings, because it might not be interesting for others to read about Stellavox problems in a Nagra thread...

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On 6/1/2021 at 8:27 PM, JBond said:

 

Its Your story now.

The last Nagra I, number 25, that was, but never made it to his hands. 

 

Thank you srs148 for chiming in with the facts of this story instead of just my endless speculation. This story is now dedicated to you. I will place it in my directory on page one.  Seriously, I feel bad you were so close.

 

Oh man, that must have been a very long two days.  Like I said, who tries to make an item look worse when they re-list it other than doing it for the previous buyer that just got cheated out of it.  The guy had a lot of gall to tell you one thing then list it again so soon. You must be a very easy-going guy. But really, what could you do? 

 

I'm glad I didn't get as far as you did by winning the auction, paying for it, only to be told he didn't "feel comfortable" selling it to you. That would definitely be too much for me to take.  SOOO close and still got away. You win that prize.  If it makes you feel any better, it was a Historic sale and you were part of it. 

 

 I'll bet the seller already had the firm offer of 20K before he sent you your money back and he listed it again maybe because the buyer just wanted to make it legit or safer going through eBay.  

 

If the seller had any conscience at all, he must have been going through a real tough time in those two days sweating bullets in what to do about that offer.  But for 20K on an item he wanted 400.00 for, could any one of us make up a clumsy friend who always dropped stuff?  I would not want that stress either way in this situation. But in real life, the seller probably made the right decision, sorry for your loss. 

 

 

JBond, it was my pleasure to shed some light on what went down.  I think I'm more disappointed I didn't get a link on the directory page than I am that I lost out on purchasing the Nagra I :). 

 

As you suspected, I too had a sinking feeling when the seller told me that he was 'out of town' that he had, in fact, already been contacted by someone who was interested in purchasing at a much higher price.  Or at the very least been informed by someone that he sold it far too inexpensively because he had literally just posted it for sale when I purchased it, yet he was out of town? 

 

It didn't make sense to me that he'd post the listing while away and not when he had the gear right in front of him.  So to answer your question, yes, it was a long two days.  I'll admit that I did check the email on my phone probably a lot more frequently than I normally do (which is already too much).

 

Despite my initial frustration and disappointment with the situation, I also agree that the seller made the right choice.  If I were him, I wouldn't have left that much money on the table, either.  I just would have handled it differently.

 

As I'm sure you know all too well, disappointment comes along with the territory of being a collector.  Like yourself and Dela, I am also a Nagra collector, having over the past few years a good amount of Nagra gear, almost all of it their more common equipment.  I'll eventually sell off some of the duplicates so others can enjoy them and keep the cleanest pieces for my collection.  I think the rarest piece in my collection is the Nagra MX 4-channel mixer.  I acquired that more recently, so I see that as a nice consolation prize for missing out on the Nagra I.

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9 hours ago, srs148 said:

JBond, it was my pleasure to shed some light on what went down.  I think I'm more disappointed I didn't get a link on the directory page than I am that I lost out on purchasing the Nagra I :). 

 

Yeah srs148, I know it's a big deal coming so close to having a chance to get on JBond's front page directory sorry about that.  Many men have tried. I'll figure it out someday. 
Not sure if that's the best analogy to losing the last Nagra 1 ever made that was worth 20K though. 
Kidding, I know you were saying it in jest.
I thought I knew Nagra's pretty well, what is this Nagra MX-4 channel mixer you speak about? 

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Only 10 Nagra MX mixers were made, and they were apparently made as evaluation samples. It was a small 4 channel (2 Mic + 2 line) mixer, and it was made to the same quality standards as all other Kudelski products. The problem was that it was a bit hard to figure out what to use it for: It was a 4 ch. mixer but only 2 mic. inputs, making it effectively a 2 ch. mixer, since you hade very few line sources on a set. If you should have line sources, they couldn't be controlled from the front, since there was only two controls, controlling the mic. input gain. All other settings and adjustments were made on the top side of the mixer, under a plastic lid. That made it a 2 ch. mixer, completely unusable for bag use and thus it didn't have any real world use (since it was too limited for using on a cart). At the time it was released people were beginning to require more channels, and for quite some years SQN had made very good and practicals multi channel mixers for bag use. So the MX was floundering in the middle of a no mans land... As a kind of gimmick, it could record, but only in 16 bit/48 KHz, making it only suitable for preview files, not as a primary recorder. Fortunately they quickly found out that it was a fundamentally flawed product. and cancelled it. A bit later they launched the EMP, which was more focussed on being a high quality mic preamp, and it was quite practical if you had a Nagra IV and wanted two more mic. inputs...

 

So the MX is a great little mixer if you needed a quite special feature set, but for universal use, there were better and much cheaper solutions...

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Thanks, Dela, sounds even more interesting once I got to the point of the plastic lid, the first thing that came to mind "Stellavox" does anyone have a picture? I wonder if this was before or after Stellavox was selling their cool mixer?  dela you always come through with a world of well-explained information,
Thank you, Sir.

 

After I just wrote that reply to dela I did another search and this time I found it, funny the first time I did a search it tuned up nothing but Sony MX, I guess I gave up too soon. I see now it's well after the Stellavox mixer. Still pretty cool and a must-have for a collector. 
That would be a good piece to add to any Nagra collection Looks expensive and with only ten made you did well srs148 Now there is only 9 left.
 

 

 

 

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And I know where one of the other MX´s  are... Fortunately I am sure that all the test users knew that it was well worth keeping it, so they are probably out there still...

 

I am not sure when it was released, but I guess that it was about 2006-2008 (the EMP came in 2011). But the design is a bit similar to the Stelladat, which was a bit earlier, but with the same top plate with controls, covered by a lid.

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