chrismedr Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 The onboard mic seems pretty useless. I think they'd be better off offering an input jack for reference audio. Until then I'm going to build a cable that will join the Tent-TC with a Comtek for reference into a DSLR. had the same thought (although i haven't tested the onboard mic properly yet). actually the best of both worlds would be an input jack that senses if a external cable is plugged in and switches between internal mic and external audio. then again i guess it becomes a space and cost issue to have another input connector, and the idea of using a splitter cable should work nearly as well. now if i could only find a really small and solid right angle mini-jack connector (i find the neutrik one a bit on the large side for something like this).. speaking of cables: their mini-jack to lemo cable is well built (uses a neutrik mini-jack). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 14, 2015 Report Share Posted June 14, 2015 Re internal mic: I think the idea basically was to replace a crappy mic with another crappy mic. When using the Tentacle with a DSLR you'd lose the cam's internal mic. So the Tentacle replaces that with a similar mic. Nothing gained, nothing lost... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 24 hours in, the two tentacles are still going strong with the same half frame drift (flickering between 0-1) vs the 633. will leave them running overnight and then start a second test tomorrow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 battery - once i deliberately did not charge after day 1 and on day 2 - an extended day, it went out around 13 hours - put it to charge on a USB slot on a macbook pro for 15 min - as enough to go for another 3 hours... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Thomas Rice Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 (edited) Someone mentioned in this thread that is "geared towards the DSLR market." Is there anything about these units that would stop you from using them in place of any other sync box? These look amazing and at an amazing price. How do these compare straight up with the other popular options? Edited June 15, 2015 by erice194 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Is there anything about these units that would stop you from using them in place of any other sync box? These look amazing and at an amazing price. How do these compare straight up with the other popular options? well, the lockits have more features and have a proven track record, but personally i prefer the tentacle over all the other options simply because of size (and price). 32hours in my test, both unit show 1 frame drift vs the 633 (or they show no drift and the 633 drifted 1 frame ; )battery is still holding up as well. chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 35hours running, one of the units started to give the red battery warning (the other i had charging on usb during part of the test).still 1 frame difference on both tentacles vs the 633. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Is the 633 on all the time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted June 15, 2015 Report Share Posted June 15, 2015 Is the 633 on all the time? pretty much so, but not recording anything.i switched it off twice for a minute when changing batteries though. if i recall correctly it should hold TC for two hours when switched off (blinking blue light on). i'll run some tests on that too when i'm doing some real world test (i.e. with recorded audio and video on 2-3 units). chris (38hours in and recharging the second tentacle, still 1 frame on both units) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Claire from Tentacle told me that the Tents work very well on Alexas and Amiras set to Regen external TC (as opposed to jamming) No Genlock involved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 stopped the 633 test after 48h. result after several battery changes on the 633 and usb charging of the tentacle: one unit showed a 1 frame difference in the 633 jam menu and the other 1.5 (flickering between 1 and 2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jayhartigan Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I ordered mine yesterday. Can anyone tell me how long it'll take to receive them from Germany? Also, how are you mounting these to the 5D? Hot shoe sled or some other method? Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 The TentacleSync package includes some Velcro patches, pre-cut to match the already attached Velcro on the bottom surface of the TentacleSync box. The recommended procedure, I imagine, is to use Velcro for attachment to DSLR cameras (or any other camera or device). The male Velcro on the TentacleSync box seems to be a fixed patch installed as part of the manufacturing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Claire from Tentacle told me that the Tents work very well on Alexas and Amiras set to Regen external TC (as opposed to jamming) No Genlock involved. I confirmed it today with the camera crew: that's how we are working with it. So far, day 7, no complaints from post. The only other time I worked with a Tentacle was actually with Claire on a short a few years ago (with a prototype). Shooting on an Alexa there, too, again no issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I did 2 productions in a row ( 180 shootingdays) with Arri Alexa without any TC box: no complaints from post.Currently shooting with Amira: same : no TC box,no complaints from post regarding sync.I use my trusted Ambient TC gen's on Sony only ( F5 and F 55) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I did 2 productions in a row ( 180 shootingdays) with Arri Alexa without any TC box: no complaints from post.Currently shooting with Amira: same : no TC box,no complaints from post regarding sync.I use my trusted Ambient TC gen's on Sony only ( F5 and F 55) as has been said before: the phrase "no complaints from post" does not necessarily imply perfect sync. There are assistant editors still so used to manually syncing or re-adjusting takes by a few frames (and so fast at it) that they won't even bother calling you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 as has been said before: the phrase "no complaints from post" does not necessarily imply perfect sync. There are assistant editors still so used to manually syncing or re-adjusting takes by a few frames (and so fast at it) that they won't even bother calling you. Yes, this is very true. If you want to know you have to ask. (And be prepared to explain what you are asking for over and over…) No complaint doesn't mean things are perfect, at all. I think Tentacle made the right choice re the crappy mic on their box, esp re the DSLR drivers. I hope they decide to make a version with TriLevel sync someday p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 To Christian, for me personally after probably hundreds of discussions with post people, assistant editors, telecine operators and so forth, my general conclusion has been that there is rarely if ever "perfect sync" no matter what technology is employed. The lack of "perfect sync" and the frequent necessity to manually nudge or adjust things to achieve proper sync, is a function of many factors, only one of which is the accuracy of the various timecode systems in use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 And….even if the sync is numerically perfect it quite often won't look right! So…more nudging in post! p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 +1 for Philip's comment which highlights some of the things I have been saying all along about being obsessed with the numbers. The best practice, in my opinion, is to use high quality proven timecode systems during production (certainly the one that are under your control as the sound mixer), make sure everyone else is on board with the same settings, then hope that it all works through the whole chain of command. This is why I still contend that if you don't hear anything from post you do have a high degree of confidence that what you did was proper and worked. We all know that when anyone has a sync problem of any sort, the sound department is usually the first to hear about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pampasound Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Here's is a quick solution for the lack of locking connector on the Tentacle (some shrink tubing and extra elastic band provided by them)....so far I am very happy with the product. Still waiting on the IOS app!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bralleput Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 TC is still no exact science.Whatever box you put on the camera,the ass.editor always goes for the 'clap' to get the real sync.Maybe Tentacal will change this?I still just 'sync' all Arri cameras without any box attached.Seems to be no problem. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smicycle Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Currently running a quick test against a 633, both units were toggling between 0 and 1 frame of difference to the 633 at 6 hours in, at 12 hours that hasn't changed. I'll keep it running a full 24 for fun. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 To Christian, for me personally after probably hundreds of discussions with post people, assistant editors, telecine operators and so forth, my general conclusion has been that there is rarely if ever "perfect sync" no matter what technology is employed. The lack of "perfect sync" and the frequent necessity to manually nudge or adjust things to achieve proper sync, is a function of many factors, only one of which is the accuracy of the various timecode systems in use. I agree. Perfect sync is rather hypothetical. What I try to do is talk to post people every now and then to see their level of satifaction with my sync work. Sometimes they are extremely happy because they have to do very little nudging compared with previous projects, and sometimes other post people will complain because they have to nudge a few takes per day. All that with the exact same equipment and workflow, of course. So there is no real standard as to what's achievable in terms of sync, it's different with every project, with every assistant editor I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted June 18, 2015 Report Share Posted June 18, 2015 Here's is a quick solution for the lack of locking connector on the Tentacle (some shrink tubing and extra elastic band provided by them) looks good, i might try the same with a right angle mini-jack cable.. something like this looks like it could be snugly attached with a low profile: http://www.amazon.de/iProtect-Ersatzkabel-Klinkenstecker-Anschluss-Verbindungskabel/dp/B00JKCWOC6/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1434617570&sr=8-2&keywords=dr+dre+klinke http://www.amazon.de/Beats-Dr-Dre-Aux-Kabel/dp/B00FJRP91Y/ref=pd_sim_147_2?ie=UTF8&refRID=1F5T8YHQWZN0RJDBAGSA http://www.amazon.de/Aukru-Kopfhörer-Kabelführung-Monster-Studio-Solo/dp/B00JGFQTRI/ref=pd_sim_147_3?ie=UTF8&refRID=1F5T8YHQWZN0RJDBAGSA chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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