Attila Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Yeah. That´s the easiest way of course. But I don´t have the money right now. And 3 channels aren´t enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Attila said: Yeah. That´s the easiest way of course. But I don´t have the money right now. And 3 channels aren´t enough. You're in luck then (if you do buy one), the 633 is a 6-input 10 track recorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted October 16, 2017 Report Share Posted October 16, 2017 Three mic preamp inputs, and three line inputs equal six. (3+3 =6) Most pro wireless Rx can output line, so it's not a huge issue. The 633 line inputs have a lot of headroom, +30dBu max as I recall, but not that enough gain for anything below +4dB (nominal). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 20, 2017 Report Share Posted October 20, 2017 On 10/17/2017 at 12:45 AM, Attila said: Does anyone have problems with the pre roll? When I switch to external Timecode the pre record function stops working. When back to internal TC it works. I there a way to solve this issue? Odd. I had never heard of this issue before. And I follow the F8 FB groups very carefully (as that is where the majority of discussions seem to happen). If it is due to external TC + pre roll being the specific combination which has the issue (and you want to keep pre roll), which seems to be what you're saying, then why not just purely rely on only internal TC? As the internal TC is very good, so long as you don't turn it off (which is very easily solved with an external battery). Simple enough, the problem is "gone" now! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted November 1, 2017 Report Share Posted November 1, 2017 On 20.10.2017 at 3:14 PM, IronFilm said: Odd. I had never heard of this issue before. And I follow the F8 FB groups very carefully (as that is where the majority of discussions seem to happen). If it is due to external TC + pre roll being the specific combination which has the issue (and you want to keep pre roll), which seems to be what you're saying, then why not just purely rely on only internal TC? As the internal TC is very good, so long as you don't turn it off (which is very easily solved with an external battery). Simple enough, the problem is "gone" now! The problem with this solution is, when powering the unit down, the timecode is gone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 On 11/2/2017 at 7:44 AM, Attila said: The problem with this solution is, when powering the unit down, the timecode is gone. Yeah but my point is I almost never power done, my F4 only sips power, so can easily last all day loooong. Thus when do you *need* to jam timecode? Only at the start of the day (and again at lunch break is reasonable, if you feel like it). How is this a problem? It is just what you'd usually do anyway, makes no difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted November 6, 2017 Report Share Posted November 6, 2017 13 hours ago, IronFilm said: Yeah but my point is I almost never power done, my F4 only sips power, so can easily last all day loooong. Thus when do you *need* to jam timecode? Only at the start of the day (and again at lunch break is reasonable, if you feel like it). How is this a problem? It is just what you'd usually do anyway, makes no difference. Yes. I am also not powering it down through the day. But I am synching it with the Ambient nano lock it. I feel more comfortable with it. So I have to deal living without pre roll. Maybe Zoom provide an update in the future. The F8 is a great device so far. I used it three weeks every day. Inside outside. Sun. Rain. Bumpy roads and under stress applications. It never failed. 😚 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Another question: I`m going to shoot a documentary and they want the framerate at 23.98 . In the timecode menu there´s only 23.976ND . CanI use this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Deakin Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 Yes I Think your fine. Use away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrismedr Posted November 15, 2017 Report Share Posted November 15, 2017 2 hours ago, Attila said: Another question: I`m going to shoot a documentary and they want the framerate at 23.98 . In the timecode menu there´s only 23.976ND . CanI use this? 23.98 and 23.976 are just two labels for exactly the same frame rate, it's just that the former uses one digit less to write it down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 23.976 rounds up to 23.98 They're the same thing, just being expressed with different levels of precision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouke Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 10 hours ago, IronFilm said: 23.976 rounds up to 23.98 They're the same thing, just being expressed with different levels of precision. You mean, the same framerate is meant, but they are NOT the same. (I do math with these numbers, and if you use 23.98 instead if 23.976 eg for a correction on the duration of a file, you WILL be off. (That once took me a couple of days to figure out.)) In NTSC framerates, the video is slowed down by 0.1 % So on 23.976 the math is 24 * 1000 / 1001 = 23,97602397602398 that is NOT 23.98 If you use 23.976 you'll be in sync for a long time... (I can calculate how long your show has to be so you would notice that number is not accurate enough either, but this is already over the top :-) Bouke Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgbsound Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 23.98 is just a rounded up. It's shorthand for 23.976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted November 16, 2017 Report Share Posted November 16, 2017 2 hours ago, Bouke said: ...So on 23.976 the math is 24 * 1000 / 1001 = 23,97602397602398... Bouke 24 x 0.999 = 23.97600000000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Ear Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 5 hours ago, Glen Trew said: 24 x 0.999 = 23.97600000000 At the end of 24 hours using this equation would be 2 frames off. Not an important difference for any one except for programmers who have to make sure the math is 100% accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 11 hours ago, jgbsound said: 23.98 is just a rounded up. It's shorthand for 23.976 Yeah that is what I meant, the vast majority of the time when a person says 23.98 they mean 23.976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jgbsound Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 44 minutes ago, IronFilm said: Sorry. I didn't mean to be redundant redundant. ;-) Yeah that is what I meant, the vast majority of the time when a person says 23.98 they mean 23.976 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Attila Posted November 17, 2017 Report Share Posted November 17, 2017 Thanks guys for your good answers. Now I can work more relaxed. Howdy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprotnik Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Hi. old topic but I have a doubt about the Zoom f8 that I can´t solve reading the manual or searching in the web (maybe I´m not searching the appropiate words...) the question is: when the phantom power in one track is activated, is it turned off automatically when you push the button of "disable for recording" of that track? when you disable for recording one track it goes mute, but i don´t know if it stops giving phantom power to the microphone. regards! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 1 hour ago, Sprotnik said: Hi. old topic but I have a doubt about the Zoom f8 that I can´t solve reading the manual or searching in the web (maybe I´m not searching the appropiate words...) the question is: when the phantom power in one track is activated, is it turned off automatically when you push the button of "disable for recording" of that track? when you disable for recording one track it goes mute, but i don´t know if it stops giving phantom power to the microphone. regards! I can't say that I've ever tried it, but usually the input settings are not at all related to track settings. The only way to find out for sure is with a phantom powered microphone or a volt meter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 Phantom stays on until you turn it off. It makes no sense to have phantom turn off for a disable then you have to turn it back on for the next time you have to record on that track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
INARI Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 I expect it personally. Can it feed line level signal with XLR? That is something to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, INARI said: I expect it personally. Can it feed line level signal with XLR? That is something to worry about. The XLR inputs are mic level only, for line level use the 1/4" TRS inputs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 The soon-to-be-released F8n allegedly has mic/line switchable XLRs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sprotnik Posted May 11, 2018 Report Share Posted May 11, 2018 14 minutes ago, Eric Toline said: Phantom stays on until you turn it off. It makes no sense to have phantom turn off for a disable then you have to turn it back on for the next time you have to record on that track. I think it makes sense... You could disable one track to unplug safely a phantom powered microphone. Another plus, if phantom power turns off in a disabled track the consumption of your batteries would be optimized Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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