Jeff Wexler Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 "And for that privilege developers give up 30% of their profits right off the top" but that 30% gives them a marketing advantage and access to a far larger audience than they would ever be able to achieve on their own, selling at a "roadside stand". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LarryF Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Looking forward to hearing the rest of this story. I wonder which family member is being held as a hostage... That which is being held hostage, has to be that which is needed for making family members. Larry F Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 6, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 He's back! Nice to see your smiling face... well, not exactly a smile, but we like you just the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 <He's back!> He's been busy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgoodin Posted August 6, 2015 Report Share Posted August 6, 2015 Nice HazMat suit Larry. You must have taken charge of unpacking the Unobtainium that you are using in the latest products from Lecrto. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard-NYNY Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marc Wielage Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Say his name! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaymz Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 Home PC has been on Windows 10 for several days now, extremely happy with it. They're definitely back on track. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 (edited) Warning....do not attempt to transfer or back up your .wav files using Windows 10. There is something in the OS that blocks access, and alters the files even on the source card. The original files become unplayable even in the machine it was recorded in. There is an active thread on the Freelance Sound facebook group page, and I will post a link to a thread on microsoft forum. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/transferring-wav-audio-files/50bbf42f-84a7-44b9-ab57-8784b5606d09 Edited August 7, 2015 by Phil D added link Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CraigF Posted August 7, 2015 Report Share Posted August 7, 2015 reading over the link it looks link it has to do with CF and SD cards I know people that have been using DAWs with W10 from beta and full release Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
efksound Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) Steinberg is not so happy with W10 as wellhttp://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=83294 Edited August 8, 2015 by efksound Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgoodin Posted August 8, 2015 Report Share Posted August 8, 2015 (edited) Warning....do not attempt to transfer or back up your .wav files using Windows 10. There is something in the OS that blocks access, and alters the files even on the source card. The original files become unplayable even in the machine it was recorded in. There is an active thread on the Freelance Sound facebook group page, and I will post a link to a thread on microsoft forum. http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_10-files/transferring-wav-audio-files/50bbf42f-84a7-44b9-ab57-8784b5606d09 This is probably an attempt by Windows Groove or Media player to autosync the CF card or other device plugged into a USB port with the media library. Try the following to turn off the ability of Windows 7, 8 or 10 to treat USB attached devices as Media players with media to add to your media library Media player cannot differentiate between a media player and any other portable device so the only viable method I have found to deal with this issue is to diasble the autosync enirely. This will also stop Win7 from auto-syncing images and everything else but you will still be able to manually transfer files to and from your media players and cameras and no important Win7 functionilty is impaired. Click Start and then Run... (Or the shortcut is Windows key + R)Type "Services.msc" and press EnterScroll down to "Portable Device Enumerator Service"Double click and change "Startup Type" to "Disabled". To return your system to normal simply change "Startup Type" back to "Automatic" Try that and let me know if that works to prevent windows from modifying the source files. Normally It shouldn't affect the original files but perhaps in their quest to make the Windows Media Player and Groove have more info on your media files, it may be trying to add metadata that if finds on line (like Album art and lyrics etc...) Although it shouldn't be able to find anything online for your original recordings it may be adding a default info chunk or something to the wav file that may make the file un-playable in the original recorder that is looking for file chunks in a specific order. Edited August 8, 2015 by cmgoodin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 I made the mistake of "upgrading " to W10 and now I can't work with my rushes; luckily I have an old W7 machine so I have a work around. Pls keep us posted here if anyone finds a solution Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laurence Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 You can roll back to the previous version if you want but you probably don't need to. What is the problem you are seeing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Laurence, did you read post #62 from Courtney? I'm assuming Chris is having a similar difficulty with Windows 10 that has been reported all over the place, the way Windows 10 is looking at "media files" and trying to re-configure them so that Windows 10 can "play" them out. Courtney outlined a fairly insightful analysis of what Windows is trying to do, speculating that in some cases it is even going out to try and find album artwork to assign to a file that it believes is music. Courtney also offered up a fix that has been suggested several places including some posts on Facebook regarding problems with Windows 10. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted August 13, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Adding to this, Paul Isaacs from Sound Devices posted the following warnings for Sound Devices users (but most probably applies to other recorder's files and Windows 10): -from Sound Devices Facebook page: Notice: Some users are experiencing corruption of wave file headers in Windows 10. At this point we are confident this is not a Sound Devices issue since it appears to affect other manufacturers too e.g. - Steinberg http://www.steinberg.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=83294 - Another article here: http://tinyurl.com/p2ku6uwWhilst we are investigating the exact cause, we highly recommend you do not use Windows 10. If you must use Windows 10, here are a few potential (but not thoroughly tested) workarounds:- import/play via network drive or external hard drive/SSD. Avoid using external USB card readers.- disable auto-sync of Windows groove or media player. See here:http://tinyurl.com/noh3bgj- if you get a corrupt file, use an application like Audacity or Audition to extract the raw data and re-save the file. Use Wave Agent to reinsert metadata if necessary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 Thank you Jeff for summing up the situation; especially your explanation as to fixing the corrupt files. I have rolled back my main laptop to Windows 8.1. I can now happily copy WAV files from external USB media! As an experiment I installed Windows 10, as an upgrade, on another laptop; in the same way as I upgraded my main laptop. I experienced the same problems when trying to copy WAV files and corruption of WAV files. I then re-installed W10 on the same machine, this time as a clean install . Interestingly I can now work with WAV files as you should be able...... Something must be going wrong with the in-place upgrade.... I will mention that a clean install seems to work on the Sound Devices FaceBook page - tho I certainly wouldn't be recommending it as part of your daily workflow :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard-NYNY Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 a fresh install always works better than an in place install. with every windows upgrade there's a niggle or two. drivers for devices may or may not need to be updated for printers and other stuff. the usb auto play sync media player issue was thrust upon me in windows 7 and the fix was easy. all this stuff will get sorted out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgoodin Posted August 13, 2015 Report Share Posted August 13, 2015 You forgot the Hat! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 I tried another test with my main laptop, one which had the W10 error reading/copying WAV Files. I un-installed every programme and app that could possibly be related to this problem, and then re-installed W10 as an inplace upgrade. Now the WAV file problem is not presenting; I could copy from external CF and then open that file in Wave Agent. It would seem that one of those programmes was the cause of the problem.... and I'm happy I didn't have to do a clean install! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 fresh install is always recommended... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phil D Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 (edited) Yes, it does appear, from reports from others, that a clean install of Windows 10 alleviates the problem. However until this is confirmed to be the case, I have reverted my laptop to Windows 8, and will use that machine for transfers and backups. I have just sent all the relevant details of the hardware and upgrade path I used to microsoft to help confirm a solution. Refer to post that follows from Rick. the address to send info to is pete.brown@microsoft.com he would like to know computer model, type of upgrade done, card reader details, card details. Edited August 16, 2015 by Phil D more information Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted August 15, 2015 Report Share Posted August 15, 2015 Info from someone at Microsoft on the Gearslutz forum. "They would like details so they can reproduce the problem and then fix it."https://www.gearslutz.com/board/11262573-post18.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cmgoodin Posted August 16, 2015 Report Share Posted August 16, 2015 (edited) I tried another test with my main laptop, one which had the W10 error reading/copying WAV Files. I un-installed every programme and app that could possibly be related to this problem, and then re-installed W10 as an inplace upgrade. Now the WAV file problem is not presenting; I could copy from external CF and then open that file in Wave Agent. It would seem that one of those programmes was the cause of the problem.... and I'm happy I didn't have to do a clean install! Chris, Did you keep a list of those possible programs that you removed so others having the same problem might possibly discover a common program/driver that may be the cause of the problem? Edited August 16, 2015 by cmgoodin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard-NYNY Posted August 17, 2015 Report Share Posted August 17, 2015 (edited) I didn't forget the hat; Boojie Boy did seldom wore one. By the way, when the Theory of De-Evolution was introduced in Jocko Homo, 1977, Microsoft was marketing it's second software language, Fortran 80. Windows only accelerated De-Evolution which is how we ended up worse for wear with Facebook and other flotsam. Edited August 17, 2015 by Gerard-NYNY Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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