tvaudioman Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) So, I just got a call for this shoot on Monday. Sounds fun. Basics is hidden cameras shooting unknowing guests at a table. Waiter is our actor. I've got plenty of ideas going in my head, but wanted ideas on hiding mics in this scenario. Obviously Waiter will be wired. But any other mics would have to be hidden from pretty much every angle. I don't know the position of the table yet, etc. Some of the tools in my bag: Various lavs, wireless and hardwired, including B6, Tram, ECM-77, 55's, etc. AT-831b lav. (It's cardioid, to maybe mounted under the table next to our table) Audix SCX1-HC (maybe mounted under the table next to our table) shotgun mics ceiling mounts Crown PCC-170's Any thoughts and ideas are welcome. thanks. Edited August 23, 2015 by tvaudioman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 If there's a table cloth and a center piece on the table see about putting a small hole in the cloth and getting the B6 through the hole and attach it to the center piece. That type of rig has worked well for me in the past. If there's an overhead hanging light over the table a wireless rig there will help. Any mic under another table will be useless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcanon Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I would think a boundary mic would be a natural choice for this scenario. Perhaps, if you can convince them, you can rout out a space in the middle of the table so the mic can be recessed with a hole drilled so the cable can be run underneath. Will the table have a table cloth? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaudioman Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I had thought about flower arrangement, but had the other thoughts of them moving it while sitting at the table. I like your table cloth idea.I, nor production, has seen the restaurant yet. They are scouting tomorrow. As for as table next to them: thanks for thoughts on the mic under the table. Am still thinking of ways to utilize a 2nd table to plant mic though, mayb eon top of table some how. Obviously would be a decision made on site. Keep em coming. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel Cameron Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 (edited) I second the boundary mic: A PZM or a PCC. (edit) If there's a drop ceiling and no low hanging fixture to hang a wire from, perhaps sticking the head of the shotgun through a hole in the ceiling tile. If the place is loud and reflective, or quiet and subdued will matter. Close to a noisy kitchen will be a factor too. If you can, maybe go there with a bag kit and do a few tests. Eric: Of course if the center piece of my table were mic'd, I'd find it when I rearranged the table. I'd be wary of people like me. : P Edited August 24, 2015 by Rachel Cameron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaudioman Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 On the PCC mic, not sure how I'd place it discretely. Eric: Of course if the center piece of my table were mic'd, I'd find it when I rearranged the table. I'd be wary of people like me. : P That's me when I sit down. Move all the stuff on the restaurant table to the way I want it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel Cameron Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Yes, that'd be the trick with a boundary mic. Now you have me thinking about the Crown MB 4. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mirror Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 PZM's on restaurant tables always sound like a good idea until you do them. Lots of hands and elbows sliding around make for inferior recordings, not to mention the forks/knives on plates and glasses being set down on the table sound like church bells going off in your head. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 If there is an overhead light fixture I would mic it. Tables pickup a lot of unwanted sounds. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Make friends with the Art Dept. You will be doing a lot of "business" with them. p Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikewest Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Done this Small flower vase on table with a CUB and transmitter Rig a lav on the waiter Good fun mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Q Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 If you can find a table pad there is no need to drill holes in the table to run wires. With a table pad under the table cloth you have both a place to run wires and a method to quiet table noises. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 PZM and mics in props work well when the actors know where the mic is and that they should try not to touch it and to time the forks' and dishes' noises between their dialog lines. But that's exactly what the guests do not (and must not) know in your scenario. I'd rather mount something above the table. Pattern would depend. Maybe, if it's not too busy, two 816s from a bit farther away, pointing at the table from opposite sides? Just thinking aloud. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaudioman Posted August 23, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I've also thought about having a table we have control over nearby. And putting a shotgun on the table, maybe hidden by a bread basket, or napkin, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungo Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 Tried cardioid lavs out as hidden mics several times and never had success ... not directional enough, too much rumble / wind, too noisy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 A B6 or other small lav attached to a flower stem.on the table's center piece The plant's stem acts as a shock mount as a bonus.. as long as the 'talent' doesn't fuss with them. I would avoid mounting mics directly to a table as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christopher Mills Posted August 23, 2015 Report Share Posted August 23, 2015 I would absolutely try hiding lav mics in overhead lighting. Sanken Cos11, Countryman B6, or AKG 417.. see if you can find an online photo of the restaurant.. absolutely try to get in with the Art Dept people to plan this. And.. prop vase with an tx and an omnigoose may also work.. but I bet an OST and a TX will be the winner.. consider if you can find some ornamental straw or tubing and some joe's sticky stuff to hide the mic in plain sight.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Duffy Posted August 24, 2015 Report Share Posted August 24, 2015 +1 on mirror's comment on mics under tables. Cuttlery noises are amplifed way too much. Bad idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaudioman Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Well, I was presented with this when I got there. Not the easiest. But client was very understanding and mainly wanted the waiters sound. Which was out actor. The people at the table were the ones that did not know they were being filmed. I mounted two shotguns about 8-12 feet away. not great sound, but ok. Waiters mic was better. But I soon realized/ learned we were only doing the prank through getting drinks and ordering, by that time it was over. They'd move them to a real table and we'd wait for next subjects to arrive. So I came up with this. Edited August 25, 2015 by tvaudioman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cloud Wang Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Quite nice,thanks for the updates. You hided lavs on both sides of the plate or just this side ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tvaudioman Posted August 25, 2015 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 (edited) Only the one side, it was usually 2 people, at 90 degrees. But they did not know they were being filmed. So had to hide transmitter as well, from all angles (plus it had about 5 cameras on it, from all angles). I talked to a waitress, and said I need a washed out bottle, then I went to work. I didn't have much time, or would have made cut cleaner. Just had my Gerber multi-tool and a few minutes to do this between customers. Edited August 25, 2015 by tvaudioman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Quite resourceful. Good job. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nate C Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Good quick fix to a less then friendly situation. Was wondering where you hid the TX. Also a good reminder why it is always a very good idea to be polite, friendly and understanding of the people who actually work day to day in the locations we do our stuff. They are more often then not the ones who have the true knowledge to make our lives much more pleasant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rachel Cameron Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Quite resourceful. Good job. +1 and thanks for the report back! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarcanon Posted August 25, 2015 Report Share Posted August 25, 2015 Well done. Hopefully, the restaurant did not have french fries on the menu. I would have been sweating bullets if they did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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