chrisyking Posted December 23, 2015 Report Share Posted December 23, 2015 Hi does anyone know any RF headphones which can cut it for critical listening, or are they all too compressed to use? I was looking at the Sennheiser RS165, which are closed back. I wanted something for artists to use tracking vocals in a studio, so they need to be zero latency, but also to use for general mixing. Are there any RF or equivalent wireless headphones anyone knows of that are decent enough quality? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lancashire soundie Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 If you think about what it costs to get a decent sounding mono radio channel up and running, and then double that figure, and then remove digital from the equation - I think you have your answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYsounds Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 Having used the sennheiser rs160 before I would say it's not practical for our purpose. There is a small delay but it is enough to annoy you between the noise from outside and the audio from the hp. Sound quality as well is not what we need it for, these transfer audio at about 44.1khz 24 bit and sound compressed when critical listening. Can't beat a wired set of cans. Comfort is fine but overall build quality isn't as good as our standards 7506, hd25, m50 etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted December 24, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 O.K. Thanks, that's what I thought. Seems like there is a gap in the market there..... I guess the only answer is to buy a IEM receiver and plug cans into that, but as it would be bulky it kind of defeats the purpose..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted December 24, 2015 Report Share Posted December 24, 2015 I'm not really sure why you need wireless cans in a studio. I've got some rs100s I use for client feeds (they work with an evo tx) and don't have any latency. I usually keep them for interior shoots though. Would expect the sennheiser 2000 and wisycom iem systems with the stereo rack tx would be the higher quality options for feeds, but neither are cheap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted December 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 Thanks Richard it's not that I 'need' wireless necessarily, it's just that it would make things a lot easier and would avoid me having to have headphone amps and cables all over the place. How do the RS100's sound? O.K.? Sony MDRRF985RK RF? Anyone used these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted December 26, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 http://www.sony.co.uk/electronics/headband-headphones/mdr-rf865rk These look like they would have no latency....RF.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted December 26, 2015 Report Share Posted December 26, 2015 They RS100s are ok, wouldn't describe them as 'reference'. An issue is there may be some bleed if they're right next to the mic as they're open, so the sonys may be a better option. Just had a look at sennheisers website and seems like all the closed back models are digital, so will introduce latency Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 You can try APT-X low latency TX and RX with your preferred Headphones. Cheaper and very good quality. http://www.aptx.com/products-low-latency/browse/categories Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Interesting but how low is 'low'? 1.9ms it says. Probably good enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 about 40ms Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted December 27, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 Oh, if it's 40ms that's no good for anything musical. It claims 1.9 ms in one of the videos. Trouble is they all seem to be bluetooth, which means you can only have 1 paring. Also how do you get audio into the bluetooth in the 1st place. These headphones all seem to be designed to work with phones. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 27, 2015 Report Share Posted December 27, 2015 I think it is between 32ms - 40ms. what do you mean anything musical? aptX® Low Latency effectively enables consumers to watch video while listening to wireless audio in a synchronised fashion. aptX Low Latency for Bluetooth® offers a total end-to-end latency of approximately 40 milliseconds (ms) – far less than the standard Bluetooth latency of more than 150 ms (+/-50ms), and meeting the 40 ms recommended latency for audio/video applications. As a result, the product is ideally suited to wireless audio delivery for video and gaming applications. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, chrisyking said: Oh, if it's 40ms that's no good for anything musical. It claims 1.9 ms in one of the videos. Trouble is they all seem to be bluetooth, which means you can only have 1 paring. Also how do you get audio into the bluetooth in the 1st place. These headphones all seem to be designed to work with phones. 32ms is fine . It is like standing 10 meters from the sound source in real life. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYsounds Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 7 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: 32ms is fine . It is like standing 10 meters from the sound source in real life. I disagree, mixing dialogue maybe fine but trying to track guitar or vocals with that much of a delay can really throw you off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 If you can find them, the E-MU pipeline TX/RX will transmit uncompressed 16/48 with latency of 5.5ms in paired mode or 10ms in 'broadcast' mode (one to many). I tend not to use them much for production sound due to risk of dropouts when you move, rather limited range and internal batteries which don't last the day. Headphone amp on them isn't up to much either Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrisyking Posted December 28, 2015 Author Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 Yes Jordan I wanted to use them for tracking vocals in my music studio - I also do a bit of music production as well as the TV stuff. I reckon I'll have to use old fashioned RF. If I track guitars the musicians need to be bang on in time with what they are listening to. Anything over 10ms is a problem. Ideally I dont really want a separate RX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 28, 2015 Report Share Posted December 28, 2015 1 hour ago, chrisyking said: Yes Jordan I wanted to use them for tracking vocals in my music studio - I also do a bit of music production as well as the TV stuff. I reckon I'll have to use old fashioned RF. If I track guitars the musicians need to be bang on in time with what they are listening to. Anything over 10ms is a problem. Ideally I dont really want a separate RX. Run a cable then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SYsounds Posted December 29, 2015 Report Share Posted December 29, 2015 On December 28, 2015 at 0:33 PM, RadoStefanov said: Run a cable then. Agreed if in studio, not much of a point in going wireless. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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