Jack Norflus Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 John Ive used the Nomad automixer quit a bit over the past few years and I found that I've had good success with it. Granted it's no Dugan but it is more than adaquate. Perhaps you need to fiddle with the parameters a bit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 I find it to be unusable as well. And fiddly. Too easy to screw up the mix and remember the multi menu-page dance that needs to be done to correctly enable it. (Meaning having to un-route everything). Too hard to switch back and forth. Unless they fix it up and make it work with the user rather than against it will sit unused for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_bollard Posted January 18, 2016 Report Share Posted January 18, 2016 11 hours ago, Constantin said: You mean like HMa, SSM, LT and Lmb? No, constantin, like the 411a or the wisycom (display on the top). 6 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: maybe he means wider. Happy with 3 blocks. Of course more is better but I understand the difficulty of doing this. Dual Rx in 411a form factor would really be the business Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 5 hours ago, Jack Norflus said: John Ive used the Nomad automixer quit a bit over the past few years and I found that I've had good success with it. Granted it's no Dugan but it is more than adaquate. Perhaps you need to fiddle with the parameters a bit? Every time I've used it -- whether conferences, reality shows, or whatever -- it has never performed adequately for me. And, yes, I've tried all manner of variations for the parameters. It simply doesn't do what an automixer should, which is basically to keep the background level consistent with no pumping, and no choppiness, as individual mics cut in and out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
afewmoreyears Posted January 19, 2016 Report Share Posted January 19, 2016 For whatever it's worth, I have used the auto mix on the 788 many times with great success.... If everyone is in the same sound environment, it just plain works.. Easy to set up and easy to run... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Ear Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 I've had very mixed success with the nomad automixer. Occasionally it will work well enough to deliver a clean reference mix, but rarely would I consider it for a final broadcast mix, even though it'll be fine for much of it, it will glitch or get "tricked" by certain situations. When it does work for me, it gives a great improvement. Implementing a dynamic threshold that monitors the background level would be great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 I've had great success with the automixer, and especially love using it for panel discussions, multiple-subject interviews, and other similar scenarios. The thing for me though is that you have to continuously baby sit it, and make fader adjustments (for post-fader automix) on the fly as needed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard-NYNY Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 On 1/19/2016 at 9:17 PM, John Blankenship said: . It simply doesn't do what an automixer should, which is basically to keep the background level consistent with no pumping, and no choppiness, as individual mics cut in and out! i am not a nomad user nor have i read the the manual. are there expander settings on each channel? expanders and gates usually need some fiddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 13 minutes ago, Gerard-NYNY said: i am not a nomad user nor have i read the the manual. are there expander settings on each channel? expanders and gates usually need some fiddling. For anyone with any experience, that's a given. This is not my first Rodeo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard-NYNY Posted January 21, 2016 Report Share Posted January 21, 2016 my apologies if i appeared to be questioning your experience, i was not. i merely find the problem interesting. i looked at the manual and it appears the functions act like an expander, but not exactly. it's not a gate either as explained in the Attenuation subsection of Automix: Sets how much each microphone is attenuated when a person stops talking. When a person stops’ talking that microphone is not closed,the microphone is actually attenuated. The level of attenuation is adjustable here. In some environments it may be more palatable to hear some or most of the ambient microphone noise all the time rather than hear the noise mute and then reappear when someone talks. Please note that regardless of this setting the last active microphone will always remain open. Attenuation can be set between 10dB and 80dB. ----- i also noticed that there's a compressor at the input stage of the Nomad. i would switch it off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted January 23, 2016 Report Share Posted January 23, 2016 A nagra viii (8), something like the track count of the nagra 6, in a box the size of the nagra 7. The vi was released in 2008 and doesn't seem to be listed as current on the nagra website - not necessarily auspicious but who knows :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vidman Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 Sound Devices 744T MK II : 1. Four Mic preamps with faders knobs 2. AES42 Two(4) Digital Input 3. USB 2/3 support 4. Recording to SD & CF cards (no HD) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PTA Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 On January 2, 2016 at 9:21 AM, John Blankenship said: I certainly hope the new year brings: - A greatly improved Nomad Automix - Individual transmitter sleep via Nomad - A wide band Lectrosonics SR w/tracking front end - Safe, light weight, longer lasting battery chemistries - Peace and Harmony for all I'm speculating that at least two of these will happen within the next four months. +1 to all of these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted January 24, 2016 Report Share Posted January 24, 2016 14 hours ago, vidman said: Sound Devices 744T MK II : 1. Four Mic preamps with faders knobs 2. AES42 Two(4) Digital Input 3. USB 2/3 support 4. Recording to SD & CF cards (no HD) Except for the USB (and more AES I/O) the Sonosax SX-R4+ does all that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 2 hours ago, Richard Thomas said: Except for the USB (and more AES I/O) the Sonosax SX-R4+ does all that "A Sound Devices 744T MK II with 1. Four Mic preamps with faders knobs" --- I don't think the faders (knobs) on the SX-R4+ are faders, yet, I was under the impression that they are input trims. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vale Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 I'd like to have more firmware updates for the RX12 and a new Zaxcom case that can host QRX212 modules as standalone wireless receivers in order to have smaller wireless package when the whole RX12 is not required. Zaxmote app also requires an improvement imho. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 On 24 de enero de 2016 at 10:48 AM, vidman said: Sound Devices 744T MK II : 1. Four Mic preamps with faders knobs 2. AES42 Two(4) Digital Input 3. USB 2/3 support 4. Recording to SD & CF cards (no HD) AETA 4 Minx (For indoors and outdoors) http://www.aeta-audio.com/index.php?id=4minx Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 AETA 4 Minx (For indoors and outdoors) Outdoors, too??? It does actually look like a pretty cool recorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ze Frias Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 2 hours ago, vale said: I'd like to have more firmware updates for the RX12 and a new Zaxcom case that can host QRX212 modules as standalone wireless receivers in order to have smaller wireless package when the whole RX12 is not required. Zaxmote app also requires an improvement imho. To sort of play off on this, what I would like is two new smaller versions of the RX-12, using the same infrastructure of the RX-12 brain, and that can use the same QRX212 modules: - RX-8 that is the same width of the Nomad, and that could actually be attached to the Nomad via screws a la FP8. This will lead to a compact "one-unit" design. Since the Nomad is only able to do up to 8 AES inputs simultaneously, then I see no reason to have more than 8 simultaneous mono channels of wireless, so only 4 QRX212 modules would be required. - RX-4 that is the same width of the Maxx, and in similar fashion be able to attach it to the Maxx via screws. Since the Maxx can only do 4 AES inputs, then 4 mono channels are perfect, so only 2 QRX212 modules would be needed. I think that adding a DE-15 connector on the left side of these units to match that of the Nomad and Maxx would be ideal, because then that way we can build short, DE-15 to DE-15 cable to do AES into the recorder. In the end, users would be able to hot swap modules between their bags and carts, making for fast and smooth operation, and less cable clutter and fiddling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 59 minutes ago, Jose Frias said: To sort of play off on this, what I would like is two new smaller versions of the RX-12, using the same infrastructure of the RX-12 brain, and that can use the same QRX212 modules: - RX-8 that is the same width of the Nomad, and that could actually be attached to the Nomad via screws a la FP8. This will lead to a compact "one-unit" design. Since the Nomad is only able to do up to 8 AES inputs simultaneously, then I see no reason to have more than 8 simultaneous mono channels of wireless, so only 4 QRX212 modules would be required. - RX-4 that is the same width of the Maxx, and in similar fashion be able to attach it to the Maxx via screws. Since the Maxx can only do 4 AES inputs, then 4 mono channels are perfect, so only 2 QRX212 modules would be needed. I think that adding a DE-15 connector on the left side of these units to match that of the Nomad and Maxx would be ideal, because then that way we can build short, DE-15 to DE-15 cable to do AES into the recorder. In the end, users would be able to hot swap modules between their bags and carts, making for fast and smooth operation, and less cable clutter and fiddling. +1 on RX8 and RX4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 On 1/18/2016 at 4:56 PM, ramallo said: 3 hours ago, ramallo said: +1 on RX8 and RX4 +1 but not based on RX12 modules. Just 3 QRX200s and a micplexer in a common shell. My RX12 review will be up soon explaining why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richard Thomas Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 15 hours ago, Jeff Wexler said: "A Sound Devices 744T MK II with 1. Four Mic preamps with faders knobs" --- I don't think the faders (knobs) on the SX-R4+ are faders, yet, I was under the impression that they are input trims. Well, they should be in a few weeks... It's currently possible to alter their gain range and whether they mute at zero, so it's possible to mix on the machine but you're limited to post-fade isos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tony Johnson Posted January 25, 2016 Report Share Posted January 25, 2016 1 hour ago, RadoStefanov said: +1 but not based on RX12 modules. Just 3 QRX200s and a micplexer in a common shell. This is my wish too. I run a zax cart rig and a separate nomad bag rig and would love to be able to have them set up autonomously without raiding one for the other. I think the RX12 is too big for a bag rig but i am a little frustrated that i need a plexer to run more than 1 QRX200 in the bag. I too agree with Rado that the QRX200 is best and a built in plexer would make a powerful piece of kit with many options for bag or small bag cart work. A slim version of the mix 8 is another wish of mine that would fit in the pocket of a bag. I have thought of cutting one down as I like the 8 faders but its too bulky. Tony 1 hour ago, RadoStefanov said: +1 but not based on RX12 modules. Just 3 QRX200s and a micplexer in a common shell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted January 26, 2016 Report Share Posted January 26, 2016 On 1/25/2016 at 9:19 AM, RadoStefanov said: +1 but not based on RX12 modules. Just 3 QRX200s and a micplexer in a common shell. My RX12 review will be up soon explaining why. My RX12 review is up: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Deakin Posted January 29, 2016 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2016 A switchable capsule for the MKH8000 line. 1 capsule that does both the 8020, 8040 and the 8050 in one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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