stefanosound Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 http://www.senalsound.com/microphones-accessories/wireless-systems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Very interesting to replace the Sennheiser G3 100. Thanks for the link. Have you had any hands on experience? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lyrnxG Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 surprising amount of tech for how much they cost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Senal is a "sister" company of B&H Photo & Video. Most of their stuff looks like low-cost knockoffs of established equipment. Maybe these wireless systems are fine; but I'd want to be REALLY convinced before I'd ever use these...Like by hearing reports from mixers I trust who've used that equipment on real jobs for a few months. I think it will be a long time until I hear such reports. And then: The.AWS-2000T.and.AWS-2000P.Transmitters.feature.two. output.level.settings: •. Lo (5 mW).is.ideal.when.the.transmitter.is.relatively. close.(150.feet.or.less).to.the.receiver..It.also.provides. the.transmitter.with.approximately.20%.more.. battery.runtime. •. Hi (30 MW).allows.the.microphone.to.cover.a.wider.area. and.more.range..This.setting.is.recommended.if.your. subject.is.moving.around.or.is.consistently.more.than. 200.feet.from.the.receiver... Even if the TX had higher output , not for me. But if anyone here buys a set and can compare them to established system, let us know what you find. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janik Hampe Posted October 22, 2017 Report Share Posted October 22, 2017 Quote Frequency Response 80 Hz to 15 kHz ...not very usable, to be honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 11 hours ago, Janik Hampe said: ...not very usable, to be honest. Really? Just how much of a human's voice is outside those numbers? And what advantage is there in recording those freqs? d r Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 13 hours ago, Jim Feeley said: The.AWS-2000T.and.AWS-2000P.Transmitters.feature.two. output.level.settings: •. Lo (5 mW).is.ideal.when.the.transmitter.is.relatively. close.(150.feet.or.less).to.the.receiver..It.also.provides. the.transmitter.with.approximately.20%.more.. battery.runtime. •. Hi (30 MW).allows.the.microphone.to.cover.a.wider.area. and.more.range..This.setting.is.recommended.if.your. subject.is.moving.around.or.is.consistently.more.than. 200.feet.from.the.receiver... 30mW is fine for many applications. The Sennheiser G3 range (at least the 100/300 range) also only has 30mW and their range is pretty decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 13 hours ago, Janik Hampe said: ...not very usable, to be honest. So Zaxcom wireless is also not usable to you? ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Constantin said: 30mW is fine for many applications. The Sennheiser G3 range (at least the 100/300 range) also only has 30mW and their range is pretty decent. Sure, I can get some work done with 30mW. But when I need more, I don't want to have to switch systems. Constantin and Christian, let us know what you think of your new Senal wireless. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Deakin Posted October 23, 2017 Report Share Posted October 23, 2017 Being one of b & h sister company So perhaps it will be in the deal zone for a day Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Wilson Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 Its not always about RF power when talking about range. What helps allot with range is pre emphasis and companding settings. System designers tune these parameters to maximize signal to noise in the fm modulation and airwaves domain. This improves range and give us advertising number of 500f of range. With something like this id be interested to see how it holds up to say a cooking show, with hard transients, fat sizzling, pots and pans chiming and wide dynamics. Its one thing to have a pre emphasis and companding system and setting to maximise range but its another to have a setting to handle transient noise like cooking shows. For me being able to switch is key. Wisycom's ENR and ENC settings are ideal for lot of real world jobs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 18 hours ago, Jim Feeley said: Constantin and Christian, let us know what you think of your new Senal wireless. :-) Sorry if you got the impression that I wanted to buy these. Just pointing out that 30mW per se is not a problem with, for example, the very popular Sennheiser G3 range. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 I was kidding. Good point about 30mW G3s. But then, I don't use them as primary wireless... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 G3s are cheap but Sennheiser back them up pretty well--they are included on their freq charts, there are parts easily avail, and the package (when bought new) is pretty well thought out re: mounting especially. They are also easy to get more of used or rental if you need them. The Senals look cool, but like Jim I want to hear from some early adopters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 24, 2017 Report Share Posted October 24, 2017 2 hours ago, Jim Feeley said: I was kidding. Good point about 30mW G3s. But then, I don't use them as primary wireless... I don't, either. But I do know quite a few who do. With a DPA mic and the SMA mod they turn into pretty decent wireless systems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 On 10/24/2017 at 9:29 AM, Philip Perkins said: G3s are cheap but Sennheiser back them up pretty well-- Ya, I agree. And I use them but again, not as a replacement for my Lectros. I could have quoted a better spec in my Senal diss.... I guess my point is I'm not looking for something not quite as good as a G3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted October 26, 2017 Report Share Posted October 26, 2017 If they sold the transmitters/receivers separately, it might make a decent scratch audio system (nice that both the transmitters and receivers are switchable to mic/line inputs) although the antennas do look a bit bulky on the receiver. Nice that they have detachable BNC antennas on the receiver at that price point though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 The "look" nice (better designed for bag use for one), but do they sound nice? Who knows! Am still waiting on an in depth review of them. Until then, Sony UWP-D11 continue to reign supreme as the best low budget option. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Janik Hampe Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 23.10.2017 at 1:09 PM, daniel said: Really? Just how much of a human's voice is outside those numbers? And what advantage is there in recording those freqs? d r Well sharp "s" sounds in the human voice can reach up to 16kHz. Okay, it´s not much to be missed but you don´t capture the whole thing this way. Also I like the thought of having a little bit of high end frequency headroom to not technically limit what you record. On 23.10.2017 at 3:14 PM, Christian Spaeth said: So Zaxcom wireless is also not usable to you? ;-) Okay, didn´t expect that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 16 minutes ago, Janik Hampe said: Well sharp "s" sounds in the human voice can reach up to 16kHz. Okay, it´s not much to be missed but you don´t capture the whole thing this way. Also I like the thought of having a little bit of high end frequency headroom to not technically limit what you record. I think I know what you mean by this, but just to point out the obvious: you always limit technically what you record. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 In that subject Sonosax always fine tuned their electronic circuit to be able to record even the harmonic that exceed the human reach because they have an effect on the overall sound or when used in FX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 On 10/22/2017 at 4:19 PM, Janik Hampe said: ...not very usable, to be honest. My wireless and booms operate 80Hz-15Hz . Don't need more then that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 3 hours ago, Patrick Tresch said: In that subject Sonosax always fine tuned their electronic circuit to be able to record even the harmonic that exceed the human reach because they have an effect on the overall sound or when used in FX. Which is a nice feature for a recorder that will get used for many things including speech and music but for a wireless lav mic worn by a speaker(?), so much has gone on before the signal reaches the recorder by way of optimising the signal for the technical limitations/demands of wireless audio that, the audio response quoted is acceptable (however good the recorder is after it), possibly more so than other details about the system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Patrick Tresch Posted October 27, 2017 Report Share Posted October 27, 2017 You'r right. What is between the mic and the recorder can be the hickup. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronFilm Posted February 12, 2019 Report Share Posted February 12, 2019 On 10/24/2017 at 3:24 AM, Glen Deakin said: Being one of b & h sister company So perhaps it will be in the deal zone for a day it is in the Deal Zone right now for the next few hours, is only $250 for a kit! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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