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I've seen this bundle with the MPR52 and two Sennheiser G4 Transmitters. Does anyone have experiences with this combo? I've read an old thread about the MCR42M having different expander modes, one for the Evolution Series. How much of an upgrade is this Receiver (range, sound quality, reliability)? I actually want to go for Zaxcom or Audio Ltd. in the future, but maybe this would be a nice upgrade for my G3's in the meantime.

 

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I don't know. But it would be interesting if someone could share their thoughts.

 

I have some G3/SK2000 and I have been thinking if it would make sense to upgrade the transmitter to a MCR42 as a first step to get a dual diversity transmitter.

 

Seeing the MPR52 is 2k euros alone new, I imagine it would economically make sense to pick up another package second hand.

 

So if you had to upgrade from g3/4/sk2000, would it be a worthwhile upgrade with just a good receiver or is the bottle neck as much the transmitter itself?

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On 9/7/2018 at 10:06 PM, OnTheSoundSideOfLife said:

I've seen this bundle with the MPR52 and two Sennheiser G4 Transmitters. Does anyone have experiences with this combo? I've read an old thread about the MCR42M having different expander modes, one for the Evolution Series. How much of an upgrade is this Receiver (range, sound quality, reliability)? I actually want to go for Zaxcom or Audio Ltd. in the future, but maybe this would be a nice upgrade for my G3's in the meantime.

 

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Considering this RX (MCR52), maybe the bundle. I'm running G2000s at present. Aside from form factor (very different) - curious to know how much of a performance difference there is between MCR 52 vs MCR42? Anybody got hands on experience with both or heard dealer/manufacturer output on this?  tar.

 

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I am waiting for manufacturer/dealer response on questions related to this. I think that the analogue outs on the Mpr52 is noisier, but I am also curious if anyone have got experience with them. Is my guess that a g3 transmitter and a wisy receiver would be a better upgrade path than starting with a wisy transmitter and g3 receiver?

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3 hours ago, Mattias Larsen said:

I am waiting for manufacturer/dealer response on questions related to this. I think that the analogue outs on the Mpr52 is noisier, but I am also curious if anyone have got experience with them. Is my guess that a g3 transmitter and a wisy receiver would be a better upgrade path than starting with a wisy transmitter and g3 receiver?

Hi Mattias, do share their response (if appropriate). I would guess the same about the upgrade path. WISY RX + G3 TX  >  G3 RX + WISY TX. If only because the Wisy RX can be used with various TX and there is the dual channel analogue RX (that senny never did).

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On 9/8/2018 at 12:47 PM, Mattias Larsen said:

I don't know. But it would be interesting if someone could share their thoughts.

 

I have some G3/SK2000 and I have been thinking if it would make sense to upgrade the transmitter to a MCR42 as a first step to get a dual diversity transmitter.

 

Seeing the MPR52 is 2k euros alone new, I imagine it would economically make sense to pick up another package second hand.

 

So if you had to upgrade from g3/4/sk2000, would it be a worthwhile upgrade with just a good receiver or is the bottle neck as much the transmitter itself?

I have a new 42S3, with Wisy MTP40S TXs. I also have some old G3 systems. G3 TX to Wisy RX sounds great! (Still have the hiss of the G3 tx though. Use a hot mic and gain stage properly.)

 

 

15 hours ago, Mattias Larsen said:

I am waiting for manufacturer/dealer response on questions related to this. I think that the analogue outs on the Mpr52 is noisier, but I am also curious if anyone have got experience with them. Is my guess that a g3 transmitter and a wisy receiver would be a better upgrade path than starting with a wisy transmitter and g3 receiver?

 

You cannot receive a Wisycom transmission well with a G3 receiver. The companding is a little different. Wisy's RX is designed to "decode" companding schemes from different manufacturers using a DSP to model the different schemes. The G3 receiver can only "decode" (really, expand) a G3/G2/2000 transmission, as they all use the same "HDX" companding scheme. Companding = COMPressing (TX) + exPANDING (RX)

 

I hate to say it, but I personally like the G3's "EVO" companding a little better. I've never felt that it sounded unnatural. Wisy's ENC, however, is a little jumpy. You can here it in a slightly dynamic, but relatively quiet acoustic noise floor. I don't touch ENR. Never sounds right.

 

To answer THE question, for everyone other than the OP since he's moved on, is for most bag work with a low channel count, I honestly do not think you are gaining THAT much with a Wisy SYSTEM, at least in my experience (and yes I'm coordinating frequencies, and scanning, etc...). I put an SMA connector on one of my old G3s and now I can use an external antenna, or distribution. Range is comparable to Wisy when using as radio mics in a bag, side by side (to be clear, I mean a full-G3 system vs a full Wisycom system. Range is often better than my Wisys on my G3 IEMs that I use as IFB (even with Wisy at 50mw). More often than not, I'd say. I don't care if someone wants to shoot me for saying that–I have experienced this many times at this point. I've done hours of testing and a month of gigging with both systems side by side. Honestly, I'm still having some strange issues with the Wisy system that I've never had with another system (G3, Lectro)–random, but sometimes predictable FULL SCALE blasts of white noise, being the main one. (That'll teach you to keep those faders down!) This could totally be user error, but I have yet to ask the lovely people of this forum or Wisy for assistance. Tone Squelch is on, for those of you about to mention that.. But maybe it's a related setting thats astray. 

 

I think you're best "in between" upgrade at this point is an "old" NARROWBAND Lectrosonics system, i.e. hybrid/400 series that came out before their wideband stuff, which is almost useless (not exaggerating–thinking of the SRc that I forcibly returned after over a year of BS). The wideband stuff I've used of Lectro and Wisycom (SRc and 42S3) are hyper sensitive, RF-wise, or something. Walkie talkies and even bag transmitters can cause a lot of problems with both. Granted walkies are 4 watts or so! Kind of understandable... With the SRc, if you're on a show with another mixer (and yes, a talented supervisor using IAS) don't get near the other mixers! Their transmitters (or likely the interaction of yours and theirs) will blow some shit up! (Your ears I mean.) I haven't been on a muli-mixer show with bags full of Wisys yet, so I can't report too much on that.

 

Get a used UCR411a and a UM400a (the A is important!), SMv, or SMQV transmitter. The older versions of the SMxx series will not have some important features, so make sure you figure that out–like remote control, back light, variable tx power). 

 

I have not used Zaxcom or Audio Limited wireless at all, so I cannot speak to their respective levels of performance. In theory, digital transmission (as these two now use) solves a lot of the problems of analog, namely the need for companding, but creates a bunch of new ones. Can't wait until digital wireless is as evolved as analog is today!

 

Hope this helps someone.

 

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I thought that I would chime in: Not directly relevant as it concerns IEM rather than using as radio mics but much of the info is equally applicable. I had some spare MTP40S transmitters which I am using for IEM and they give the G3 receivers an added clarity. I also have some MPR30 IEM receivers for the crew and key grown ups. We use in mono mode, pilot off and they are a great combination and well worth the upgrade. The sensitivity of the Wisy receiver is such that a few weeks ago from a 50mW transmitter, we had 150m range from sound cart to an assistant in the van. The biggest negative compared with G3s is battery life of the receivers. You cannot do a day on one set of batteries. This is OK for crew and key production but the other 20 IEM are G3/LD which last all day of black eneloops. 

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Can anyone confirm if there is a maximum frequency spacing on the MPR52 if used in two channel mode ? i.e. Both channels would have to be very close together in the same block/channel. I read this is the case but i can't find the reference to it again. As a side note a few of us in the UK have been put off purchasing the MPR52 as the frequency range stops at 800mhz and doesn't include channel 65 (823-832) which is available to us in the UK (under our standard rf license) and in Europe under the same blanket agreement which gives us channel 70 (863-865). It doesn't detract from the very impressive wideband range and its utility worldwide but its not very practical to have to pay a temp license for frequencies in the UK when there is a 9mhz channel very much under used.

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15 hours ago, It's All Waves said:

 

 

Get a used UCR411a and a UM400a (the A is important!),

 

 

the A is important just to match them with other brands, what about the rest of functionality, I have bought a used ucr411/um400 (no A)

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Hi,

 

I am interested of this bundle too. However, i wonder if it would be a real upgrade. They say that mpr52 is a true diversity receiver only when you use one channel and not when when you use two channels. Does this mean that will have similar drop outs like a g3 diversity receiver, when two channels will be used? If this is the case, i think that i doesn't worth it.

 

 

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If you don’t intend on going with Wyzicom then I think you’re just spending money to spend money, and I think that, aside from the benefits of having a dual receiver in your bag, you won’t necessarily see much improvement. 

 

Ive dialed in my Lectro SR receivers to capture Sennheiser wireless at events when I can see them being used and need to grab the audio, and the signal is usually ok at best, even without great distance and in line-of-sight.  

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