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Sennheiser G4 - 112P vs 512P?

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I'm a camera / video guy. Every now and then I have an interview or a corporate shoot where I have to work solo, and that includes the sound.

I have been using the Rodelink wireless lav kits for a few years now and I feel like it's time for an upgrade. I've been looking at the workhorse Sennheiser G4, which would fit my use case perfectly. However, I find it a little hard to decide the configuration - I know I definitely don't want to use the ME-2 lav.

I am trying to decide between these options:

1. G4 512P with the MKE-2 microphone - around 700-800€
This would get me a decent microphone and a better wireless pack, and it's more cost-effective!

2. G4 112P, ditch the ME-2, and get a DPA 4060 separately - 850€+
This configuration costs more, but the DPA is excellent.

Now, my question is, whether the DPA 4060 is that much better than the MKE-2 to justify the price difference. I feel like the 512P kit is a better deal but I'm not sure. I've heard that the MKE2 is quite robust and would withstand some abuse, but it's also more difficult to hide. The wireless kit is secondary, however the 500 series sounds like a good bonus over the 100 series.

Feedback is greatly appreciated, and let me know if my question is stupid :)

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The main difference between the 500 series vs the 100, is the fact that the 500 has 50mw TX power, vs the 30 mw max of the 100 series. The MKE2 mic is just a "bonus"deal with the kit. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Glen Deakin said:

Think of the included lav mic as a gift to make the kit complete

That said, the MKE2 is considerable better than the ME2 which comes with the 100 kit

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It depends (lol):

 

Do you think you will ever upgrade to a pro wireless system in the near future? No? Then buy the better one right away -> 512p

Are you going to hide your lavs a lot? Yes? -> DPA 4060/6060

Are you going to be close to the person being interviewed most of the time, or is range a critical factor?

 

If I knew I was going to upgrade to a pro wireless system at some point, I would go with the 112P + DPA 4060 now. Keep the 4060 and ditch the 112P later .

If I knew that, for what I'm doing, the G4s are perfectly fine, I would go with the 512P + MKE-2 and upgrade to the 4060 later, if I felt something was missing.

 

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Wouldn't go for either of mic capsules you've put forward - I've used Sanken Cos-11 with Lectrosonic, Audio ltd, Sony and Sennheiser TX. Versatile over and under clothing, easy to mount and hide. Lots of accessories and robust. More popular the Sennheiser capsules and 50/50 with DPA imho.

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Go 500 series. the 50mw as I mentioned before will give you better range. that should be the focus first, you get distracted by the microphone into your equation; yes it is important, but transmitter wise the 100/500 series are not equal. 

 

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2 hours ago, Vincent R. said:

Go 500 series. the 50mw as I mentioned before will give you better range. that should be the focus first, you get distracted by the microphone into your equation; yes it is important, but transmitter wise the 100/500 series are not equal. 

 

Assuming on corporate solo shoot the receiver is usually in the same room and within a few meters of the transmitter...

It seems to me that in those conditions a better quality mic (DPA4060/COS-11/MKE-2 over ME-2) would improve the quality significantly while the transmitter power (50mW over 30mW) wouldn't really make a difference. I'm far from an expert in this field, but I once tested a G3 with exactly these four lavs and I won't use the ME-2 anymore if I can avoid it somehow (sounded pretty bad in comparison).

chris

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Little question a bit off topic, is it worth upgrading a 100 transmitter to a 500 without upgrading the receiver? Or do you only get the advantage of the 500 if you upgrade the receiver as well.

Thanks for your in put.

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12 minutes ago, chrismedr said:

 

Assuming on corporate solo shoot the receiver is usually in the same room and within a few meters of the transmitter...

It seems to me that in those conditions a better quality mic (DPA4060/COS-11/MKE-2 over ME-2) would improve the quality significantly while the transmitter power (50mW over 30mW) wouldn't really make a difference. I'm far from an expert in this field, but I once tested a G3 with exactly these four lavs and I won't use the ME-2 anymore if I can avoid it somehow (sounded pretty bad in comparison).

chris

Fair enough. I would say both. I just get the impression topic started assumed they are equal besides the stock lav Vs mke2.

11 minutes ago, Allowire said:

Little question a bit off topic, is it worth upgrading a 100 transmitter to a 500 without upgrading the receiver? Or do you only get the advantage of the 500 if you upgrade the receiver as well.

Thanks for your in put.

That will work. Another benefit of the 500 series is that it is wide band. So if you combine that with the 100 series, you only can receive half of the available Freq. that the 500 can transmit. But it will work. 

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If you haven't seen it, this video from Gotham Sound goes over the differences between the 100 and 500 series G4s (as well as the sound of the MKE2 lav)

 

 

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If distance is not a big thing to you. 112P wireless kit with DPA lav makes great combo. Plus you have an extra ME2 lav for back up cod it is included in the package. 

 

Hiro

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On 3/11/2019 at 6:22 PM, OnTheSoundSideOfLife said:

If I knew that, for what I'm doing, the G4s are perfectly fine, I would go with the 512P + MKE-2 and upgrade to the 4060 later, if I felt something was missing.

My focus is more on camera work and audio is a bonus that I can offer. So I don't have a plan to go full pro audio wise, at least not in the nearest future. When I have more demanding projects, I definitely bring in a separate sound person.
 

On 3/11/2019 at 7:23 PM, Vincent R. said:

Go 500 series. the 50mw as I mentioned before will give you better range. that should be the focus first, you get distracted by the microphone into your equation; yes it is important, but transmitter wise the 100/500 series are not equal. 

 

I do record some stand-up comedy gigs occasionally, some performers want a lavalier as backup. The range could come in handy in a stage situation. And yep, the MKE2 that comes with the 500 is definitely not a bad mic.
 

On 3/11/2019 at 6:28 PM, daniel said:

Wouldn't go for either of mic capsules you've put forward - I've used Sanken Cos-11 with Lectrosonic, Audio ltd, Sony and Sennheiser TX. Versatile over and under clothing, easy to mount and hide. Lots of accessories and robust. More popular the Sennheiser capsules and 50/50 with DPA imho.

Hmm, I have heard good things of the Sanken as well, however I rarely see it on sets here. It seems that DPA has conquered the market around here. Hmm, I had the impression that the Cos-11 would be difficult to hide, since the capsule is quite long but that's good to know!

Thanks for the good advice everyone!
I gave it some thought and I think my choice will be a combo:

I'll get the 512P kit first with the decent MKE2
and I will add a 100 series later this year with a great mic like the DPA or Cos-11

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6 minutes ago, raidopedak said:

I had the impression that the Cos-11 would be difficult to hide

Cos 11 is one of the easiest mics to hide. it is the diameter what counts, and if i am correct, it's even smaller in diameter than the dpa 4060 or mke2, but it doesn't matter, they are all easy to hide.

 

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On 3/12/2019 at 3:01 AM, raidopedak said:

I have been using the Rodelink wireless lav kits for a few years now and I feel like it's time for an upgrade. I've been looking at the workhorse Sennheiser G4, which would fit my use case perfectly. However, I find it a little hard to decide the configuration - I know I definitely don't want to use the ME-2 lav.


If you're very price conscious then I'd suggest the best option under $1K/channel is a Sony UWP-D11 with OST lav upgrades, especially a good idea if you're a cameraman who uses Sony cameras. 

Also another option is to wait just a few more weeks and see if the new Deity Connect is worth a look. 

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