Prahlad Strickland Posted March 27, 2019 Report Posted March 27, 2019 Just watching Mrs Maisel on amazon... In the day of Zaxcom and Neverclip,  it's surprising to still hear the old distorted voice tracks.  Zaxcom TX 👌I could see a day where productions require Zaxcom unless other manufacturers follow suite with Dual converters.Â
nathanalef Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 Can you cite a specific timestamp from a specific episode with a good example? I watched that whole series and never felt there were any overall issues with sound. Other than the fact that they obviously rely on wires a lot for those super wides/one takes.
Vincent R. Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I can not imagine a distorted audio take will make the/a final cut, unless it is some war documentary kinda thing. I just checked the IMDB page of the series, this is not some student project. My guess that if indeed you heard some distortion, it is a process mistake/error somewhere in the delivery chain.Â
codyman Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I didn't notice any distortion. Did notice some ADR at times but it was to be expected with all the dynamic wides and period wardrobe.
Izen Ears Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 Amazing show with amazing sound. Â Zero distortion heard by me, and I listen at a healthy level! Â Please update with more info! Â Dan Izen
Jason Todd Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I think it's an excellent sounding show done under incredibly tough circumstances. I don't recall hearing any distortion and think their sound team does a fantastic job.
Philip Perkins Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I too like the sound of the show, and think the sound crew is doing a great job (period wardrobe can be tough). If there was clipping in the production tracks of takes they wanted to use it would have been fixed long before air, by the RSM or by ADR.
Shastapete Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I vaguely remember hearing some distortion/compression on one of the early live set scenes... which I would find believable, otherwise audio sounded great (from 10 feet away playing on my Sonos sound bar)
KGraham045 Posted March 28, 2019 Report Posted March 28, 2019 I watched the whole series. Didn’t notice anything unusual... did notice tons of wires and a bit of ADR. But no distortion.Â
Jim Feeley Posted March 29, 2019 Report Posted March 29, 2019 On 3/27/2019 at 3:43 PM, Prahlad Strickland said: Just watching Mrs Maisel on amazon... In the day of Zaxcom and Neverclip,  it's surprising to still hear the old distorted voice tracks.  Zaxcom TX 👌I could see a day where productions require Zaxcom unless other manufacturers follow suite with Dual converters.  I too don't recall any distortion popping out at me. Maybe I missed it. What episode, scene, etc?  Maybe the problem was downstream with your service provider?
David Waelder Posted March 29, 2019 Report Posted March 29, 2019 1 minute ago, Jim Feeley said: Maybe the problem was downstream with your service provider? Â I think Jim's suggestion is on point. Â I haven't been watching Mrs. Maisel but I've been seeing Mathew Price's name on credits for some time now. Among other things, he was responsible for the sound on The Sopranos. I think he did the whole run of the show. Â Moreover, I've been noticing audio problems on other shows that seem to come and go depending on what time one views the episode. I had considerable difficulty with some scenes in the recent True Detective episodes, especially with scenes featuring Mahershala Ali as an old man. Then I rewatched the show later viewing the east coast feed and found the sound much cleaner. Â David
Prahlad Strickland Posted March 30, 2019 Author Report Posted March 30, 2019 Sorry for the late reply.  I'll get timecodes for it,   I notice it a lot in movies, I have for years.  It's a pet peeve of mine.   I'm watching Maisel on Amazon with very high-speed internet, I'm quite certain it's not a streaming thing, it's very specifically the sound of a TX overmodulating.  Great show,  doesn't matter in the end.  But again, I love my zaxcom for this reason,  if the TX isn't set right across most other brands,  your not able to ride your faders and fix the problem because it's happening before it hits the desk (preaching to the choir I know)      Â
mprice Posted March 30, 2019 Report Posted March 30, 2019 Ahem. I feel like should pipe in here. I’m not sure what you’re listening to but I can pretty much guarantee there is no distortion in the tracks that we delivered. Believe me, there is no way that the final mix would’ve gone out like that. I sat in Ron Bochar’s (our Re-recording Mixer) final mix at C5 a few times and I can reliably say that there were a lot of people in there with very good ears.  And, for the record, my wireless for S2 were my (I now call them vintage but have since gone to all Zaxcom for S3) Audio, Ltd. 2000s, which always sounded as good as they get.  Just my 2 cents! I’m glad you all are watching. Season 3 will be even bigger.Â
Prahlad Strickland Posted March 30, 2019 Author Report Posted March 30, 2019 37 minutes ago, mprice said: Ahem. I feel like should pipe in here. I’m not sure what you’re listening to but I can pretty much guarantee there is no distortion in the tracks that we delivered. Believe me, there is no way that the final mix would’ve gone out like that. I sat in Ron Bochar’s (our Re-recording Mixer) final mix at C5 a few times and I can reliably say that there were a lot of people in there with very good ears.  And, for the record, my wireless for S2 were my (I now call them vintage but have since gone to all Zaxcom for S3) Audio, Ltd. 2000s, which always sounded as good as they get.  Just my 2 cents! I’m glad you all are watching. Season 3 will be even bigger.   The show sounds great. Oppologies if I was to blunt.   Maybe it’s the online stream.  I’ll re watch the first couple episodes.  The show is great, and worthy of repeats.   I’m listening on Dutch and Dutch 8c speakers.  Something wigged it out.  I notice on many productions.  Â
mprice Posted March 30, 2019 Report Posted March 30, 2019 Blunt is fine. I will say that there may have been some intentional futzing for some of the standup bits with the old mics., but certainly not for the regular dialogue.Â
Chris Polczinski Posted March 30, 2019 Report Posted March 30, 2019 Of all the TV/Film I watch Mrs. Maisel (especially ep 201) is phenomenal. Not sure how much ADR there was but I'm very impressed by the overall sound. The long steadicam shots must have made it fun.Â
KGraham045 Posted March 30, 2019 Report Posted March 30, 2019 Really good work! It’s a joy to watch!
OnTheSoundSideOfLife Posted March 30, 2019 Report Posted March 30, 2019 Just started watching this, great show and great sound! I'm watching on Amazon aswell at highest streaming quality, and I think I heard the distortion Prahlad is talking about a couple times. Â One example is S01 EP03 at 11:31-11:38. Â Every line of dialogue has some kind distortion in those few seconds. It seems to occure only at loud talking levels/screaming, so I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the stream (unless it's mixed so hot, that the stream introduces clipping at some stage, but that again makes no sense, as there are louder elements). Â It's not really bothering me to be honest and it kind of fits the time/aesthetics the show is going for. Â Â
Prahlad Strickland Posted March 31, 2019 Author Report Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, OnTheSoundSideOfLife said: Just started watching this, great show and great sound! I'm watching on Amazon aswell at highest streaming quality, and I think I heard the distortion Prahlad is talking about a couple times.  One example is S01 EP03 at 11:31-11:38.  Every line of dialogue has some kind distortion in those few seconds. It seems to occure only at loud talking levels/screaming, so I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the stream (unless it's mixed so hot, that the stream introduces clipping at some stage, but that again makes no sense, as there are louder elements).  It's not really bothering me to be honest and it kind of fits the time/aesthetics the show is going for.   Yeh.  My suspicion is in post.  For example. The waves la2a plugin.  If -20 isn’t observed it will clip as per analoge modeling.  It’s easy to miss.    Either way superb production and sound.   Does this this show play on tv?    On instagram.  If u post a stereo mix from an iPhone it will post in mono. And in the process produce distortion.   Post the same clip with an android and it will post in stereo and therefore no more distortion.  Could be a bug with amazons streaming serviee.   Im glad I’m only on season 1.  This show is gold and can’t wait to watch the rest.   And yes. I don’t envy the boom op on this show with all those one shot steadicam mastery.  Very tricky sound production.Â
Philip Perkins Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 LA2A plug in? And you think the RSMs and producers of a show on that level would let audible clipping slide? There are a whole lot of possibly questionable layers of technology between the dubstage and your TV. Maybe suspect them.
Prahlad Strickland Posted March 31, 2019 Author Report Posted March 31, 2019 1 hour ago, Philip Perkins said: LA2A plug in? And you think the RSMs and producers of a show on that level would let audible clipping slide? There are a whole lot of possibly questionable layers of technology between the dubstage and your TV. Maybe suspect them.  no... as I said it was just an example of the types of things that can happen and do happen in post. On a home TV set, this kind of distortion and clipping is probably never going to be noticeable.  But that's not the point.  Viewers could also care less if a show was shot on Arri or Red, Cooke or Leica or has a few words distorted or bad ADR with mismatched room verb, etc,   it doesn't mean those of us working on our side of the game don't notice or have an opinion of what we see and hear.   As far as RSM's and producers,  as I said,  I hear this a lot on many big productions,  (game of thrones, amongst many others),  it's not a big deal, nor noticeable to most people.  Probably many times not the fault of the sound mixer on set, because they have no control for the most part what happens in post.  Just saying it surprises me.   Kind of a pet peeve, like hearing lawn mowers when I'm not working,  just sensitive to it.  End of the day,  the show sounds great,  and I'm watching episodes right now 👌  Â
Vincent R. Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 34 minutes ago, Prahlad Strickland said: no... as I said... Yeah yeah... I believe you disqualified yourself by now with why "you think" what "went wrong" with this production. First you said you're so sure it was the wireless mic packs, and how happy you use Zaxcom bla, bla, and now it's the post department?  39 minutes ago, Prahlad Strickland said: ,  as I said,  I hear this a lot on many big productions Check your setup man, before accusing the Netflix/Amazon/Cable guy next.
Prahlad Strickland Posted March 31, 2019 Author Report Posted March 31, 2019 12 hours ago, Vincent R. said: Yeah yeah... I believe you disqualified yourself by now with why "you think" what "went wrong" with this production. First you said you're so sure it was the wireless mic packs, and how happy you use Zaxcom bla, bla, and now it's the post department?  Check your setup man, before accusing the Netflix/Amazon/Cable guy next.  I've remained friendly throughout this discussion.  I never said I was so sure of anything. Your right, I Will double check my setup,  it's probably my speakers 👌 Â
codyman Posted March 31, 2019 Report Posted March 31, 2019 1 minute ago, Prahlad Strickland said: it's probably my speakers 👌  Just gotta upgrade to the McIntosh Reference setup
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