pillepalle Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Rode launches their new TF-5 microphone (small diaphragm cardioid) as a matched pair for 1500,- U$. Seems to be the first microphone of a new product line. https://www.rode.com/tf-5 Greetings Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 "“The TF-5 is the best small diaphragm condenser in the world, plain and simple,” says RØDE Founder and Chairman Peter Freedman AM." Huh. That's from the press release. More such statements here: http://www.rode.com/blog/all/introducing-the-rode-tf5-premium-condenser-cardioids And hera's a two-minute promo video with Tony Faulkner (the TF in TF-5): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Hey Tony--I'll swap you a couple of these for a pair of your "Klaused" KM84s--deal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Looks interesting. I guess we soon will see these compared with a pair of cheap, tiny but well renowned CM-3. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickreich Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 12 minutes ago, Display Name said: Looks interesting. I guess we soon will see these compared with a pair of cheap, tiny but well renowned CM-3. Speaking of which, Line Audio have just announced the followup to the CM3 - the CM4. Higher output, same price. Hopefully with a similar sound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Larsen Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 7 hours ago, Jim Feeley said: "“The TF-5 is the best small diaphragm condenser in the world, plain and simple,” says RØDE Founder and Chairman Peter Freedman AM." Huh. That's from the press release. Wow, that's a bit to bold and too wide to take them serious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 7 minutes ago, Mattias Larsen said: Wow, that's a bit to bold and too wide to take them serious. Yes absolutely. Although the 14dBA selfnoise figure is pretty good. On par with the Schoeps MK41... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Rode's target market won't care, and may even like, Freedman's hubris. And I'd guess some more critical users will be tempted to at least give the mics a listen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Display Name Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 9 hours ago, nickreich said: Speaking of which, Line Audio have just announced the followup to the CM3 - the CM4. Higher output, same price. Hopefully with a similar sound. Yes. I noticed the CM4 after I posted! And a bit more pronounced cardio then the CM3. I placed an order for a pair as soon as I saw them. I have not yet received a confirmation on them though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Larsen Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 8 hours ago, Constantin said: Yes absolutely. Although the 14dBA selfnoise figure is pretty good. On par with the Schoeps MK41... Sure, it's okish. But makes me giggle at "Exceptionally low noise floor" when Sennheiser or Nevaton cuts that selfnoise in half in some sdcs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 11 minutes ago, Mattias Larsen said: Sure, it's okish. But makes me giggle at "Exceptionally low noise floor" when Sennheiser or Nevaton cuts that selfnoise in half in some sdcs. No, it’s pretty good, but it’s only a number and as such pretty meaningless. But I‘m curious, which Sennheiser „cuts that selfnoise in half“? I only know of the MKH800 as a pretty quiet mic and at 10dBA that‘s still not half. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borjam Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 Comparable to the AKG ULS Series (11 dBA, but with 3 dB less sensitivity). Anyway, I guess that the only way to compare to a Shoeps or a DPA is to go and record an actual orchestra. Off axis response variations will make the biggest difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Larsen Posted June 5, 2019 Report Share Posted June 5, 2019 2 hours ago, Constantin said: No, it’s pretty good, but it’s only a number and as such pretty meaningless. But I‘m curious, which Sennheiser „cuts that selfnoise in half“? I only know of the MKH800 as a pretty quiet mic and at 10dBA that‘s still not half. Definitely, it's about how it sounds in the end. I thought their sdcs with card characteristics were quieter to be honest. I guess it is a bit unfair as it's another design, but the mkh60 and 70 lists 8 and 5db a-weighted selfnoise. I am really curious about the new Nevaton MC59 that lists 5db selfnoise for omni and 7db for card. I (probably falsely) assumed that mkh8040 were in the same ballpark as that is what a lot of nature recordist default to for quiet recordings (they are a bit more sensitive so that may help) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 6, 2019 Report Share Posted June 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Mattias Larsen said: it is a bit unfair as it's another design, but the mkh60 and 70 lists 8 and 5db a-weighted selfnoise. Well, all is fair when you make a claim such as Rode did. But wow, I never knew that about the MKH70 that is very quiet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 Good noise but very short max SPL, 120dB SPL is a short number Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 Unless you're spot mic'ing a Trombone, an orchestra wont exceed 100dB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, TVPostSound said: Unless you're spot mic'ing a Trombone, an orchestra wont exceed 100dB. Is a matter about max spl and distance from the source. A big orchestra easily meet 120dB SPL (Peak) in a fortissimo in the typical position of the main pair, but over 130 (Peak) as spot microphone (Depends of the instrument/instruments) https://academic.oup.com/view-large/3169085 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 1 hour ago, ramallo said: Is a matter about max spl and distance from the source. A big orchestra easily meet 120dB SPL (Peak) in a fortissimo in the typical position of the main pair, but over 130 (Peak) as spot microphone (Depends of the instrument/instruments) https://academic.oup.com/view-large/3169085 That‘s a pretty interesting list of decibel numbers you linked there. For a moment I wondered why the trumpet wouldn’t be louder compared to other instruments, but then I thought the really interesting measurement here would be that of the person sitting in front of the trumpet... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted June 8, 2019 Report Share Posted June 8, 2019 2 minutes ago, Constantin said: That‘s a pretty interesting list of decibel numbers you linked there. For a moment I wondered why the trumpet wouldn’t be louder compared to other instruments, but then I thought the really interesting measurement here would be that of the person sitting in front of the trumpet... Usually in front of the trumpets and trombones is sitting a methacrylate shield, for do a protection for the musicians seating in front of this instruments. The complete paper: https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/55/8/893/264708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 6 hours ago, ramallo said: Usually in front of the trumpets and trombones is sitting a methacrylate shield, for do a protection for the musicians seating in front of this instruments. In professional orchestras, yes. And not even in all of those. But in many many amateur orchestras, no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 I was referring to the recording position. And TF mics. Were going off on a tangent. Remember unlike a bull the horns are in the back and the ___is in the front!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 2 hours ago, TVPostSound said: I was referring to the recording position. And TF mics. Were going off on a tangent. Remember unlike a bull the horns are in the back and the ___is in the front!!! Yes, that’s the beauty of a discussion forum, a discussion can go off topic and return again. So Ramallo said it all, an orchestra can easily exceed 120dB SPL at the typical main mic position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted June 9, 2019 Report Share Posted June 9, 2019 1 hour ago, Constantin said: Yes, that’s the beauty of a discussion forum, a discussion can go off topic and return again. So Ramallo said it all, an orchestra can easily exceed 120dB SPL at the typical main mic position. But yet TF recommends them for an orchestra!!! Also as a spot mic for soloists!! Reading between the lines, the TF5 spec does NOT state max SPL, only Input SPL @ 1% THD 120 dB SPL (1kHz @ 1% THD, 600Ω load) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moonwatcher Posted September 6, 2019 Report Share Posted September 6, 2019 Yes, an audacious claim by R0DE's founder, but proof will be in the pudding. I'm hoping to see (and hear) some videos and recordings done with them. I record live shows in various venues for uploading to the Live Music Archive, not so much studio stuff. Given their price point, it would seem they should be compared to AKG-480/ck61 and of course Neumann K-184 mics. The AKG's are normally more expensive, but lately you can get them from AKG or Harmon direct for $200 less each, putting them at $1600 for the pair. Hopefully whoever is doing the testing will provide links to FLACs so we can truly hear the "real" sound. And of course no harm in comparing them to cheaper mics either, since even the cheaper mics have come a long ways in the last 20 years. I've heard many a recording on the Live Music Archive done with say the RODE M5 mics (only $200 for the pair) and other mics in the $500 range for the pair, and they do remarkably well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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