RPSharman Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 I would suggest the RedByte Decimator to down-convert the HD/SDI at the monitor output. Then you can use your CAT5 system to get the composite signal to you. Robert Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfvid Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 DOWNCONVERTER Decimator Design 2 Australian made downconverter. It’s a low cost miniature 3G/HDSDI to NTSC/PAL with Aspect Ratio Conversion: Anamorphic, Letterbox, centercut. Power supply included. Rental prices are still at 95.00 per day on a 3-day week (2010 July), same as the AJA rates. New 2010 list $ 495.00. http://www.decimator.com/products-decimator2.php It downconverts to NTSC or PAL Composite signals and to HDMI, and de-embeds audio (no other flavors of SD, be it digital or analog) [september 2010 version will have audio meters]. Input can be either PAL or NTSC HD-SDI and output can be NTSC or PAL switchable composite and HDMI. Has problems with 23.98 frame on HDMI… Perry Drogo says: “The Decimator2 will pass all formats of SDI to HDMI with the next Firmware update, which will be available at the end of October 2010. For now it works as the Decimator 1 does fine for composite out at 23.98.†Importer and Rep: TECADS Inc. Contact: Perry Drogo, Phone: USA 949 597-1053, 23 Dellpadre street, Foothills Ranch Ca. 92610 Email: sales@tecads.com Website: http://www.tecads.com/FW_EXPORTS/DECIMATOR.htm In stock at: Alan Gordon, Sales guy is Ken 323 466-3561 in Hollywood Owner: Wayne Loucks waynel@alangordon.com And Birns and Sawyer http://www.birnsandsawyer.com/search.aspx?srch=decimator And Abel Cine Also In stock at: Charles Papert http://www.charlespapert.com/ info@charlespapert.com c) 323-350-8822, rep for TECADS he is a Steadicam operator lives in Los Feliz and can give all round good advice. Powerplug and special cables: there is a very unusual power plug on the Decimator. Look at it closely it is polarized with a little lip. You must align the lip on the plug with the hole on the receptacle for it to insert and hold!!! We make cables adapting to all cameras or fancy “Y†cables to Decimator and any transmitter. Most are $ 150.00 some more. Call we have most in stock. Wolf 310-822-4973. Note: The RedOne Camera sometimes (often) has a jitter in its HDSDI output. This is not cured by downconverting, only by a good “reclockerâ€. Folks prefer the AJA HD10DA because it works while the 3G version of the AJA DA has caused some operators problems. Others like the Black Magic. Signal Generator: http://www.decimator.com/products-3g-tpg.php $1200.00 not sure if there is a lower priced one available. Check out the Decimator Design (Redbyte Design) 3G-TPG Test Pattern Generator. All format HD/SD with moving pattern and embedded audio in SDI. SDI outputs only no HDMI or analog video. Battery powered for instant signal source anywhere on set especially handy for checking cables and monitors with a known signal. Blackmagic: http://www.blackmagic-design.com/products/miniconverters/ Have similar products, carefully check details, some say their products handle redone better. AJA makes them too. wolf (we rent these but not sell them) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfvid Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 HD monitors 7â€: ( downconverting and SD monitors is much cheaper) http://www.flandersscientific.com/index/Broadcast_Monitors Possibly interesting - have not seen them. Available from Film Tools http://www.filmtools.com/ in Burbank. 24 volts, audio disembedding. They have also Ican and others http://www.filmtools.com/camonboarmon.html These are all small monitors I know of: Boland (HD LCD) ,GPI (greenscreen SD CRT), LC (HD LCD from Bulgaria), Lumavec/Blackbird (SD LCD), Marshall (HD LCD, OLED), Nebtek (HD LCD), Tiffen (HD LCD, OLED), Transvideo (HD LCD), XCS (greenscreen SD CRT) Transvideo – made in France - has an expensive product with the most features; the Tiffen Ultrabright is in a similar class. However both are in the $6 to $7K range. Marshall and Nebtek, at $2100 and $2900 respectively, have units that provide similar viewability at a fraction of the cost. The Nebtek has a larger display being 16:9 and will have user adjustable framelines, which is putting it at the top of a lot of people's lists. Marshall is a Chinese supplied USA front box house. The Blackbird was the best SD LCD we heard of in terms of view-ability, but at $4K, expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wolfvid Posted October 13, 2010 Report Share Posted October 13, 2010 LCD 7†Handheld TV Rechargeable battery inside They make 12V and 6V models The TV tuner is as good as the best. Easily visible in full sun with good color. We protect the LCD with a delicately applied anti-scratch and anti reflection protection film. External Lithium NP-7S battery lasts tested 6 hours. The wide viewing angle enables three people to watch. The last channel selected before power down, is remembered on next power up. There is a removable 5/8†spud on a plate for stand mounting. We provide a convenient tough hi-performance antenna with a 90-degree flex joint on BNC. Shoulder strap provided. 16:9 aspect ratio for HD wide screen & 4:3 aspect ratio for standard screen, screen size 7" diagonal, built-in mini speakers, Inputs: 1 video RCA & 2 audio RCA, “F†connector for antenna. Outputs: headphones, mini only! No video out. ATSC Digital over the air tuner + NTSC analog Tuner 125 Ch + CATV. 7-16.4V. At 12V it draws .6A with no battery. The 10†draws .7A. Will not turn on above 16V. The 7†LCD has a built-in (removable) 4400 mA LiPo 7V battery that lasts a tested 1:45 hours. Put the external NP-1 battery on the back bracket and it will operate the monitor and charge the INTERNAL battery slowly (6 Hrs). Then the monitor draws 1.4A max. The battery takes 28W Hr. Once the internal battery is fully charged, the LCD draws .6A. Turn the 7†LCD OFF (Switch on left side) and you will charge the internal battery from the external one more quickly (3 Hrs). The manufacturer claims you will not destroy the internal battery if you leave the monitor on. You will not destroy external batteries, IDX or Bauer by over-discharge as they are protected by a battery internal low voltage disconnect switch. We think that the automatic cut off voltage on the Np-1 type batteries is set too low and you will reduce those batteries lifetime if you let the dischare go to the auto turn off point always. What do you gain by removing the internal battery? Probably 10% total longer run time of external batteries and the convenience of lighter weight and for the uninitiated a more predicable performance. http://www.amazon.com/Haier-HLT71-7-Inch-Handheld-LCD/dp/B001E78UQY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1286955791&sr=8-1 we bought 50 of these - sold 30 - they are all still good which is saying a lot. they are not as sensitive as the best Sony tuners, have not compared sensitivity to other portable TV / tuners. also make 10" ones... dont, everybody will look over your shoulder. wolf Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnpaul215 Posted October 14, 2010 Report Share Posted October 14, 2010 Hey Guys, First off, yes I did a search. I've been working on my first feature with two red cams. They are sending SDI to a panasonic monitor. I just got my cart and my monitors. Here is what I went with. ... The RED outputs HD-SDI specifically.... A monitor that can take SDI will not see it. Even a "HD monitor" with an SDI input still might not handle HD-SDI, unless it specifically says so. Last I looked there were no inexpensive options for 7" HD-SDI compatible monitors. The cheaper way to do it is to get a down converter (Red Byte, Black Magic, Aja or whatever) for each monitor. You would probably put the down converter at video village, and then take your feed from there. You will have an SD signal. you can feed that into coax, CAT-5 (with the adapter boxes), go wireless or whatever. Offhand I think the RED is the only camera that doesn't have any built-in SD output. If you had something like the Red Byte decimator, you could convert anything you will see on set. At least anything I have encountered. Using unscientific research I have noticed that the cheaper Delvcam monitors (maybe around $250) look a good bit better than the $100 ones you pick up at a place like Office Depot. I usually use a Delvcam, but keep the others as a spare (or for 2 camera shoots). I'm using it for what a sound mixer needs, so these are not the kind of monitor a DIT would use. Pretty much all of these little 7" monitors I have seen use 12volt. They come with a wall power adapter as well as a car adapter. I just wire up a feed from my cart's power system. *most* of the cheap ones have tripod mount screws on them, but not all do! Some just have a picture frame kickstand type thing. Something to keep an eye on. I found cheap generic camera ball mounts on ebay for about $10 that allow you to adjust the monitor for glare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Another option that I can't find being mentioned on this thread before... The fine people of Remote Audio have put together a video assist 7" LCD monitor package, with sound carts in mind: http://www.remoteaudio.com/videoassist/. The idea was to spec a monitor that was not over-kill for what sound mixers need a video monitor for: Framing and shadows, and powered by 12VDC. The extra expense of SDI input was passed on because I think it makes much more sense to convert the signal at the source so that long video runs can be sent to the sound cart via a CAT5 system. I just installed two on my cart today (see picture below). An unintended benefit is that they draw only half the power of my previous 7" monitors I was using (only 0.4A instead of 1A for a savings of 1.2A), which means my cart will last 20% longer on battery power. Glen Trew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zack Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 Are there inexpensive wireless options out there? My idea was to have a converter/s and a basic transmitter/s that lives on village. Then using something like those VA702's to tune in. A Canatrans would be nice, but $$$. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted October 15, 2010 Report Share Posted October 15, 2010 " Are there inexpensive wireless options out there? " and considering how fussy folks seem to be about 700 MHz wireless, don't forget it needs to be legal wireless! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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