berniebeaudry Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 I have a shoot on Friday that will be using a Panasonic camera (some flavor of eng style rig) I'm finding that the person I'm able to speak doesn't know much technically. Info is hard to come by i.e.: exactly what model the camera is. As for frame rate they told me 720/60. This is for US television so I'm thinking the 60 is actually 59.94. So if I want to jam the camera is it possible? Would I use 29.97 on my Nomad? Drop or non drop? I'll have more info on the day of, but this is a traveling group and it takes forever for them to get back to me. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted October 2, 2019 Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Sounds right if on his camera 60 really = 59.94 (like he's shooting NTSC). If it really is 60 then I'd consider using 30fps, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted October 2, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 2, 2019 Thanks Philip, That was my plan. If he's shooting actual 60 which I doubt, I would do 30. I'm fairly certain its NTSC. Would his camera still take a jam from me? I would assume I would want non drop code for this. Yes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward chick Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 I work a fair amount of network news and usually if they are shooting 720/60 they are running 29.97 drop, or if they are trying for a “filmic” look they shoot 30 drop. If it’s non broadcast production, try the non drop rates. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted October 3, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 Thanks Ed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted October 3, 2019 Report Share Posted October 3, 2019 29.97 Drop frame for EVERYTHING Unless it will be a commercial under 2 minute, then 29.97 NON DROP FRAME. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted October 4, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Thank you TVPostSound. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 Drop or Non-Drop will depend, of course, on which one the camera is set to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted October 4, 2019 Report Share Posted October 4, 2019 2 hours ago, John Blankenship said: Drop or Non-Drop will depend, of course, on which one the camera is set to. Thats true!!!! Whether the camera person is right or wrong, follow the camera!!😪 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Westgate Posted October 8, 2019 Report Share Posted October 8, 2019 Ask post then you cannot be the person who got it wrong! mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decay Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 On 10/3/2019 at 4:24 PM, TVPostSound said: 29.97 Drop frame for EVERYTHING Unless it will be a commercial under 2 minute, then 29.97 NON DROP FRAME. Could you elaborate on this? It sounds like you're saying that the .03 difference would be negligible? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted November 12, 2019 Report Share Posted November 12, 2019 37 minutes ago, Decay said: Could you elaborate on this? It sounds like you're saying that the .03 difference would be negligible? I'm curious how you got that number. My guess is you may be thinking about frames rather than percentages. The difference between drop and non-drop should be a tenth of one percent (.001). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 On 11/12/2019 at 11:31 AM, Decay said: Could you elaborate on this? It sounds like you're saying that the .03 difference would be negligible? It is!! DF, was for timing accuracy in longer shows. No one cared about doing DF for a commercial. Was told that over 30 years ago. 23.98 shows are still timed with a DF ruler today!! They are shot edited, and broadcast 23.98 but measured with 29.97DF Thats a fact I witness daily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouke Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 4 hours ago, TVPostSound said: DF, was for timing accuracy in longer shows. No one cared about doing DF for a commercial. Was told that over 30 years ago. This is not the reason, and especially for US TV where there TONS of commercials, math on entire bloks is done in Drop to stay in sync with the Time on the Wall. (Or shows would start at the wrong time...) Reason: Since DF skips two frames every two whole minutes, there is NO difference between Drop and NonDrop if you start at a round even minute. (Except the colon / semi colon notation.) Only after two minutes the two start to drift apart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 6 hours ago, Bouke said: This is not the reason, and especially for US TV where there TONS of commercials, math on entire bloks is done in Drop to stay in sync with the Time on the Wall. (Or shows would start at the wrong time...) Reason: Since DF skips two frames every two whole minutes, there is NO difference between Drop and NonDrop if you start at a round even minute. (Except the colon / semi colon notation.) Only after two minutes the two start to drift apart. SMPTE Drop Frame skips the frame count by two frames every full minute except for the tenth minute. For example: 01:08:59:28, 01:08:59:29, 01:09:00:02, 01:09:00:03 Tenth minute: 01:09:59:28, 01:09:59:29, 01:10:00:00, 01:10:00:01 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouke Posted November 15, 2019 Report Share Posted November 15, 2019 1 hour ago, John Blankenship said: every full minute Deep shame on me! (And I recently patched the Python Timecode Module, and TC is my thing.) Blame it on lack of coffee, too much work. (Crawling back in my cage now....) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TVPostSound Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 19 hours ago, Bouke said: DF, was for timing accuracy in longer shows Isn't that 19 hours ago, Bouke said: Drop to stay in sync with the Time on the Wall. Pretty much what I said!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bouke Posted November 16, 2019 Report Share Posted November 16, 2019 23 hours ago, TVPostSound said: No one cared about doing DF for a commercial. You also said that, hence my comment. But yes, we totally agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KenLac Posted September 6, 2020 Report Share Posted September 6, 2020 Drop v. Non-drop: no matter which way you've got it set, if you didn't ask post you're doing it wrong. >:-D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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