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dialogue editing and mixing. The question.

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My question is about using plugins, I  do mostly sound on a film set, and rarely I do some post-work for small projects, this helped me a lot to improve my job during the shootings. I've realized how easy it could be making a mess when cleaning up dialogues and mixing (mostly doing it at the same time).  I have mixed in the past mostly music and carried with me that background. High levels, transients massive, using compressors, never issues about noises and need to clean  rumbles, clothes rustle because everything was recorded in perfect situations. But when I approached audio film post everything was more complicated. I used plug ins on the single tracks and on the stems and had at the end awful sound and background noises and room tone coming out that could not hear before. this is only one example. 

so my question is what is a good approach when mixing and using any audio tool like denoiser or compressor and reverbs. Single tracks, on the bus where I 've routed into.  Any advice and link is appreciated

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I would recommend the reading of “dialog editing for motion pictures” written by John Purcell. A gold mine with all the answers to your questions.

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Besides getting the Purcell book, I strongly recommend building project templates beforehand and then tweaking them to suit each specific project.  There are a lot of ways to skin this cat, you kind of have to try a few things to see what suits your system, the sort of work you do and your brain.   With plugins it is very easy to over-push the processing and essentially improve the track into a ruin.  It is extremely important to switch out all the processing and hear how what you've done compares to the original, often.  A small piece of advice: instead of trying to solve a problem with a lot of one tool, use a little of several.  I also recommend reading the Gearslutz Post Production forum, and asking questions there.

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Alidav, you have identified perfectly the problems and differences so you know (from either end) what the issues are.

 

I would personally (assuming time being not an extreme issue where it might be in television) ask that everything is recorded clean so that it can be corrected and perfected in post. Recording a separate processed track for the editor is another matter.

 

The absolute best solution is to know in advance the supervising sound editor (and hence the dialogue editor if different) and the rerecording mixer, to discuss their preferences, anticipate problems etc all in advance.

 

There will always however be the case that what is the best action for one team is the worst action for another so this is where either relationships or advance communication is generally the best circumstance for tackling a job.

 

Jez

Although I was assuming you meant 'recording-mixing' rather than 'post-mixing' so I hope I have understood the question right?

 

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Purcell's Dialog Editing is an excellent book. He's a very good writer, and covers every aspect of turning the ransom note of edited production audio into something that'll work smoothly and quickly on the dub stage. I recommend it highly, and have a copy in front of me right now.

 

But he's primarily an editor, not a rerecording mixer. While he walks you through just about every possibly editing scenario with lots of pro tips, his book has less than a dozen pages on processing. 

 

I wrote Audio Postproduction to fill that gap. There are sixty pages just on equalization, dynamics control, and noise reduction, plus chapters on time domain (including reverb) and other processing. I cover dialog editing - but nowhere near as deeply as Purcell - plus editing music and sfx, and recording VO and ADR (which are postproduction operations). It also comes with a one-hour audio CD of tutorials, examples, and diagnostics. 

 

Ideally, you should have both books. They've also both been out long enough that there are used copies around. But if you buy a used copy of mine, make sure it has the CD. A lot of its content was cleared only for single-CD-with-book, so I can't send you replacement files.

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