JonG Posted May 10, 2023 Author Report Share Posted May 10, 2023 That’s a kind of interior design that some of us here might be ok with lol! ——————————- Medium S01E15 apparently the actors playing boom ops didn’t understand that the mic should be pointed AT the person talking and not just wherever! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted July 1, 2023 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2023 A bit of a departure from the usual shenanigans. I’m watching this Netflix true crime show, and all the interview segments are framing so wide that they literally have lights visible for most of the time, but still see fit to have the boom so high above the subject that it would basically be useless. I’m sure that the sound mixer objected at this clearly aesthetic choice on the part of production, but seriously, the fact that these interviews only use seconds at a time of the video portions, they really should prioritize the boom. It just makes my mind explode that someone would hinge the quality of their production on such a trivial aesthetic. 🤯 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wandering Ear Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 I don’t get why, if they are going for the bts vibe and showing equipment, they don’t just put the mic where it should be and show it crossing frame? Makes no sense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted July 2, 2023 Report Share Posted July 2, 2023 My guess is, the light stands and the hanging light look quite industrial and kind of look like they belong on that place and most viewers won’t recognise them as film gear. The mic does still look out of place and not really industrial, so I can kind of understand that choice. Still, they could have done that as b-roll and then move in closer for the actual interview Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted July 3, 2023 Report Share Posted July 3, 2023 Could be that the light casts a real nasty shadow on the subject’s face. Sure they could remedy that, but then the industrial look, as Constantin says, would be “moot”.. It sure looks like the mic is lit in such a way that if it were any farther down there would be a shadow. Some hot young DP with a bunch of cool lights has been told not to give sound an inch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mungo Posted July 22, 2023 Report Share Posted July 22, 2023 "Are You Gonna Go My Way" by Lenny Kravitz. Neumann Mic set to Cardioid, Neumann sign 180 degrees away from singer ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted July 23, 2023 Report Share Posted July 23, 2023 Ha, that’s not cardioid Mungo, that’s just Lenny’s special heart shaped omni setting! Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted August 8, 2023 Author Report Share Posted August 8, 2023 Veronica Mars S3E3 College radio program scene with hosts and guests using LDC side adresse mics as if they were EV RE20’s Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted August 13, 2023 Report Share Posted August 13, 2023 On 8/8/2023 at 11:31 AM, JonG said: Veronica Mars S3E3 College radio program scene with hosts and guests using LDC side adresse mics as if they were EV RE20’s I can’t even count anymore the number of times I‘ve corrected this on sets I worked on. But a second before we start rolling some prop person walks by and „oh this is wrong“ changes it back and we roll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 Harrow S2E7 looks like a Neumann u87 but is being used as a front address mic instead of a side address mic. Pretty sloppy to have such an expensive mic as a prop! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted December 11, 2023 Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 Given how many cheap copies of U87s there are out there, I doubt it's a real one... Also, cheap lights, cheap camera, uncoiled cables all over the place, and a truly terrible cable wrap on the mic stand. This does not strike me as a set where a real U87 would be available. There's lots more wrong on this set than just mic placement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted December 11, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2023 And yet we see this on all budgets of sets… visuals tend to over ride sound consulting…. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted December 13, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 Airheads! The audiocentric movie that overlooked so much! The entire duration of this movie based in a radio station, the presenter uses an AKG C-414 (with wind support) as a front address mic as opposed to a side address mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 But what about EVERY SINGLE LATE NIGHT SHOW (excuse me, not every single one obviously, but very many) with an LDC mic just sitting on a desk like it's doing something!? Maybe I'm just ignorant, maybe they're there for some reason, but I can't see what that would be other than aesthetics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rick Reineke Posted December 13, 2023 Report Share Posted December 13, 2023 They are mostly an ornamental prop, but word has it most are actually plugged in if needed for some reason. I am not sure if Larry King's iconic RCA 77DX was connected though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olle Sjostrom Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 OK but here's a weird one. This is actually a TV show that use LDCs for its primary sound, so it's basically a good looking video podcast, with actual camera operators and such, not like a Joe Rogan type deal. It's a Swedish show. I just think it's weird that they choose to have the mics like that. It's almost uncanny valley. I mean I like the sound of it, it sounds great, but there's a big disconnect with what I'm used to seeing as a TV viewer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borjam Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 56 minutes ago, Olle Sjostrom said: OK but here's a weird one. This is actually a TV show that use LDCs for its primary sound, so it's basically a good looking video podcast, with actual camera operators and such, not like a Joe Rogan type deal. It's a Swedish show. I just think it's weird that they choose to have the mics like that. It's almost uncanny valley. I mean I like the sound of it, it sounds great, but there's a big disconnect with what I'm used to seeing as a TV viewer. I guess they want to give it a podcaster/youtuber "vibe". Large microphones are trendy, look at how many youtubers use a Shure SM7B! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 23 hours ago, JonG said: Airheads! The audiocentric movie that overlooked so much! The entire duration of this movie based in a radio station, the presenter uses an AKG C-414 (with wind support) as a front address mic as opposed to a side address mic. Maybe it’s set as omni. I have used it like that back at my music recording days when I did not have a pop screen 1 hour ago, Olle Sjostrom said: OK but here's a weird one. This is actually a TV show that use LDCs for its primary sound, so it's basically a good looking video podcast, with actual camera operators and such, not like a Joe Rogan type deal. It's a Swedish show. I just think it's weird that they choose to have the mics like that. It's almost uncanny valley. I mean I like the sound of it, it sounds great, but there's a big disconnect with what I'm used to seeing as a TV viewer. Nothing wrong with this setup. Golden Ratio seams to be in tact. The pop screen might be a overkill but an overkill that does not hurt is ok in my book. 22 hours ago, Olle Sjostrom said: But what about EVERY SINGLE LATE NIGHT SHOW (excuse me, not every single one obviously, but very many) with an LDC mic just sitting on a desk like it's doing something!? Maybe I'm just ignorant, maybe they're there for some reason, but I can't see what that would be other than aesthetics. Maybe it is backup omni. On 12/11/2023 at 12:37 AM, JonG said: Harrow S2E7 looks like a Neumann u87 but is being used as a front address mic instead of a side address mic. Pretty sloppy to have such an expensive mic as a prop! Again maybe it is omni and it sounds good. On 8/13/2023 at 2:31 AM, Constantin said: I can’t even count anymore the number of times I‘ve corrected this on sets I worked on. But a second before we start rolling some prop person walks by and „oh this is wrong“ changes it back and we roll. Might sound good. Less pop from air. On 7/22/2023 at 1:02 PM, Mungo said: "Are You Gonna Go My Way" by Lenny Kravitz. Neumann Mic set to Cardioid, Neumann sign 180 degrees away from singer ... Music video. I would have switched it as well. Looks cooler from that angle. On 7/1/2023 at 2:21 AM, JonG said: A bit of a departure from the usual shenanigans. I’m watching this Netflix true crime show, and all the interview segments are framing so wide that they literally have lights visible for most of the time, but still see fit to have the boom so high above the subject that it would basically be useless. I’m sure that the sound mixer objected at this clearly aesthetic choice on the part of production, but seriously, the fact that these interviews only use seconds at a time of the video portions, they really should prioritize the boom. It just makes my mind explode that someone would hinge the quality of their production on such a trivial aesthetic. 🤯 It is sad but I have done it as well. B cam on a 24 pulled back. Pretty much Lav as final sound. Or even boom if it is quiet and good acoustical . Looks like mk41 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 On 1/10/2022 at 8:26 PM, Mobilemike said: This is my favorite I’ve seen recently, from Apple TV’s Mr. Corman. The classic mic technique of an SM7 aimed at the ceiling while you play a recorder in its general direction… Probably sounds fine for a recorder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Constantin Posted December 14, 2023 Report Share Posted December 14, 2023 13 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: Might sound good. Less pop from air Speaking into the side of a capsule will never sound good. At least not good as when speaking into the large side of it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 On 12/14/2023 at 9:33 AM, RadoStefanov said: Probably sounds fine for a recorder ... And if it's good enough for a recorder it's good enough for a human voice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted December 15, 2023 Report Share Posted December 15, 2023 2 hours ago, The Immoral Mr Teas said: ... And if it's good enough for a recorder it's good enough for a human voice Don't know if this is a joke or a real statement but no. 15 hours ago, Constantin said: Speaking into the side of a capsule will never sound good. At least not good as when speaking into the large side of it As I said if switched as omni the pickup pattern will get good voice with less detail in sibilance. I have dropped an Omni LC between few singers and even the once off axis sounded fine. Not to mention omni helps with comb filtering. Here is a 3d picture of how different polarizations pick up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Izen Ears Posted December 16, 2023 Report Share Posted December 16, 2023 On 12/15/2023 at 9:02 AM, RadoStefanov said: Here is a 3d picture of how different polarizations pick up. Hey Rado I realize this is waaaay OT, but I think those images are misleading because they don't have any distinctions for different frequencies. We all know that even a super cardioid essentially captures bass freqs the same as an omni. Also despite the name, there is always a big sweet spot on all omni's I've handled - right in front of the element. Neither of these issues is evident in those kinds of illustrations. Apologies for the OT. I just wish the audio industry was regulated the way other ones are. For example, forcing all mic manufacturers to publish clinically-tested specs, including the most important spec that no one talks about - off-axis response. The music industry equipment also needs some standardization. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted December 30, 2023 Author Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 Neumann u87 with no pop guard used as front address mic in a “radio station”. Art dept strikes again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted December 30, 2023 Report Share Posted December 30, 2023 I don't know what you mean! She's actually an exterminator, and she's using the U87 to pinpoint exactly where the roaches are hiding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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