berniebeaudry Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 I'm curious if anyone here has had an issue with sibalance on Tram TR50 mics used on Lectro 100 series wireless? I do a show that uses four of this combination mixed through a Sound Devices 442. The lavs are mounted under clothing (taped to skin in cleavage on woman) and various places under wardrobe on men. Its worse on women for obvious reasons but I've noticed it on men too. This is happening on different cameras and its recorded that way. Used a HIMD recorder today to see if it was the way I was monitoring from the camera and its on the mini disc too. Keep in mind its not unuseable, as I've done lots of shows with this gear and nothing has been said. My Sony 7506s might be getting old (like me) and that could be a factor as well. I'll play my samples on speakers to see what it sounds like there. I do a different show with Trams using them with with 211 and 411 Lectros and I've not noticed this same character to the sound. That leads me to wonder if its the Lectro 100s reacting to the Tram frequency response? I've also used some Sonotrims in the same situation and have not noticed as much of the issue. Ideas?? Thanks, Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Could be the built in pre-emphasis in the 100-vs-the pre-emphasis in other lectro models. Perhaps a lav with a flat response like a Countryman EMW would solve your dilemma. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
berniebeaudry Posted July 18, 2009 Author Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Could be the built in pre-emphasis in the 100-vs-the pre-emphasis in other lectro models. Perhaps a lav with a flat response like a Countryman EMW would solve your dilemma. Eric Thanks for the reply Eric, I think you may be on to something because using the same brand of mics with the 211s or 411s on 13 year old girls on my other shows I didn't hear nearly the same sibilant character. I need to listen to my recordings on monitor speakers before I get too far with this. The gear is owned by the production company and they have a lot of Trams (no wonder I like the sound of the Sonotrims better). Regards, Bernie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Keep in mind that Trams seem to eventually "wilt" in time, Sonotrims too. Even if you've been careful with them after a few years of hard use I find that they start to sound strange have to be retired. Back when I used Trams all the time, pretty much my only lav type then, to keep 8+ working I'd be buying at least one new per year, not including those lost to physical damage. Philip Perkins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BobD Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 To me, it seems as though they have always been a bit on the sibilant side... i think they just sound that way.... a little EQ and you should be able to fix them right up... or just buy some Sankens when the situation presents itself... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 Also, Sony 7506 cans have an edge to them that can sometimes accentuate sibilance. John B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MSheldon Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 I have to second Phillip on this. I have 2 Trams that are 3 to 4 years old now used with Lectro 210 and 211 systems. They are much thinner sounding than the new Tram I purchased 6 months ago. The older ones are all tinny and sibilant. I remember reading somewhere (RAMPS?) a while back that the charge in electret lavs will dissipate over time and cause the lavs to sound worse with age. Wikipedia says electret mics should keep their charge for hundreds of years. Any opinions on this theory? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
studiomprd Posted July 18, 2009 Report Share Posted July 18, 2009 " electret mics should keep their charge for hundreds of years. Any opinions on this theory? " in other words: In theory, electret mics should keep their charge for hundreds of years. and it will take "hundreds of years" to actually prove this theory. in practice?? depending on conditions, the charge may often dissipate a lot faster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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