aksanaom Posted September 12, 2020 Report Share Posted September 12, 2020 I'm a mixer in California and I'm moving back to Europe to be closer to my partner who's in school in Berlin. I previously lived in Berlin, but mostly worked in the live music world and didn't do much production sound at the time. I was wondering what the landscape is like where you live. What are good markets in the eu? I'm considering Berlin, Scandanavia, Dublin, or Madrid (as I speak Spanish). I'm considering the UK as well, but as I only have an EU passport it might be trickier. From what I know, wages seem to be a lot lower and it's more competitive. I'm still pretty young and not hugely concerned with making less than Los Angeles rates. What kind of gigs do people here work on? What should I expect productions to look like compared to the us? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted September 14, 2020 Report Share Posted September 14, 2020 As a general "rule" from my personal experience and what I see around me is that; first of all, Europe is NOT Europe. What I mean by that is it really helps if you speak one of the 24 languages, THUS working in the region of the language you do speak is the logical result of this. Although in most countries you get away with English, you will be second choice for most gigs, especially for a newcomer to the market, some exceptions here and there. The UK and Ireland obviously are English speaking as you know... So yeah, from a competitive point of view this would be a downside for you. As for rates; partially I think this can be rationalized that your healthcare. unemployment welfare and schooling system (not for you perhaps, the latter, but for your children or maybe your partner in Berlin, if she is a EU citizen too) is sort of taken care of (well, you still have to pay taxes and a bit of healthcare, but you need way less skin on your bones in cases of emergency). Therefore in my opinion this whole rate debate between the US and the EU (again EU is not EU, because rates are all over the place too, from north to south, east to west...) is a bit skewed. I lived and worked for a while in Istanbul Turkey, and mostly I did international crews which came to Istanbul for a shoot, narrative or documentary. So I was in kinda the same boat; I did not speak the native language, so I had less gigs because of that. But because the "foreign" gigs I got paid WAAAY better so all was good. That said I don't think this trick would work in the EU. Maybe in the eastern countries. Like I started, this is my personal experience, your mileage may vary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VASI Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 There is no common rates between sound mixers around the EU; because the cost of business & cost of live is different from nation to nation. For example, UK & GER has better salary compared to Greece (where I am working & live). TV Drama, Feature Films & Documentaries is main industry. I know it's hard to get your feet at the start (like me when I changed only a city - can you imagine), but I would suggest you to start from Berlin - where you have lived before and you be will closer to your partner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vincent R. Posted September 15, 2020 Report Share Posted September 15, 2020 1 hour ago, VAS said: There is no common rates between sound mixers around the EU exactly. See this chart per example, how much average hourly rates differ from country to country. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Larsen Posted September 19, 2020 Report Share Posted September 19, 2020 I am Swedish, but live and work in Berlin. If you want we can take a coffee sometime if you pass here. Generally I think it is harder to get the well paying gigs unless you know German. Berlin is also lower paid than say, Munich, Hamburg or Frankfurt. I am still quite new so to say (held a boompole for the first time in 2015), but I also think it was less competitive a few years ago when I started. In the indie segment there are plenty of gigs, but it's a hustle to make a living from it and I think there are more people now. On the upside, makeup and sound can allways get atleast some form of payment even in so called no budget gigs. For the first time I am getting actual real rates now, but took me a while to get there. And only for the highly commercial projects (Advertisement, Sports documentary). I think for the long run, if I wanted to make as much money as possible, I would move to Sweden to speak my language on set. But then, I am not only in it for the money. Love to pick the projects I believe in and live with my partner here in Berlin. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aksanaom Posted October 7, 2020 Author Report Share Posted October 7, 2020 On 9/14/2020 at 12:25 PM, Vincent R. said: As a general "rule" from my personal experience and what I see around me is that; first of all, Europe is NOT Europe. What I mean by that is it really helps if you speak one of the 24 languages, THUS working in the region of the language you do speak is the logical result of this. Although in most countries you get away with English, you will be second choice for most gigs, especially for a newcomer to the market, some exceptions here and there. The UK and Ireland obviously are English speaking as you know... So yeah, from a competitive point of view this would be a downside for you. As for rates; partially I think this can be rationalized that your healthcare. unemployment welfare and schooling system (not for you perhaps, the latter, but for your children or maybe your partner in Berlin, if she is a EU citizen too) is sort of taken care of (well, you still have to pay taxes and a bit of healthcare, but you need way less skin on your bones in cases of emergency). Therefore in my opinion this whole rate debate between the US and the EU (again EU is not EU, because rates are all over the place too, from north to south, east to west...) is a bit skewed. I lived and worked for a while in Istanbul Turkey, and mostly I did international crews which came to Istanbul for a shoot, narrative or documentary. So I was in kinda the same boat; I did not speak the native language, so I had less gigs because of that. But because the "foreign" gigs I got paid WAAAY better so all was good. That said I don't think this trick would work in the EU. Maybe in the eastern countries. Like I started, this is my personal experience, your mileage may vary. Thanks, I appreciate that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christian Spaeth Posted October 23, 2020 Report Share Posted October 23, 2020 Hey. If you're can boom well you should be able to get well paid work quickly in Berlin. At the moment Netflix and others are ramping up EU productions and from what I hear in the process wages have gone up in Berlin, which is a place with lots of competition of course. But good boom ops are scarce and even if you write to some mixers you might get a job in high season like that. If you're looking for mixing jobs it will be much trickier in any of the places you mention. For that you need a good network of contacts with other mixers and producers who will book you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ramallo Posted December 28, 2020 Report Share Posted December 28, 2020 On 9/12/2020 at 10:11 AM, aksanaom said: I'm a mixer in California and I'm moving back to Europe to be closer to my partner who's in school in Berlin. I previously lived in Berlin, but mostly worked in the live music world and didn't do much production sound at the time. I was wondering what the landscape is like where you live. What are good markets in the eu? I'm considering Berlin, Scandanavia, Dublin, or Madrid (as I speak Spanish). I'm considering the UK as well, but as I only have an EU passport it might be trickier. From what I know, wages seem to be a lot lower and it's more competitive. I'm still pretty young and not hugely concerned with making less than Los Angeles rates. What kind of gigs do people here work on? What should I expect productions to look like compared to the us? Any advice would be appreciated! Thanks! Si eres buen operador de pértiga, en Madrid puedes conseguir trabajo fácilmente, especialmente para plataformas y televisiones If you're a good boom pole operator, in Madrid you can get a job easily, in streamers or TV Good luck Suso Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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