henrimic Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Sound Devices / Audio Limited has launched the A20 mini and the features are impressive. Internal Recording, Timecode, size of the 2040 mini TX, can be powered by Sony or AAA batteries, remote operation from the 8 series or a phone, .... https://www.sounddevices.com/a20-mini/ Can't wait to try it ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Dang, that is pretty sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dejan Ceko Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 No phantom...only lavaliers .... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zernicke Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I wonder if SD is going to also come out with a "20" series receiver, perhaps 4 channel (hint is the A20s transmitter has an option for an 8 transmitter charger which would work nicely with 8 A20's and perhaps a pair of A20-RX 4 channel receivers X2 in the SL-2)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAB414 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Anyone know if it records and transmits at the same time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanWBS Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 8 minutes ago, BAB414 said: Anyone know if it records and transmits at the same time? It does but the US version has the feature disabled. It has 64gb built in recording memory. 28 minutes ago, zernicke said: I wonder if SD is going to also come out with a "20" series receiver, perhaps 4 channel (hint is the A20s transmitter has an option for an 8 transmitter charger which would work nicely with 8 A20's and perhaps a pair of A20-RX 4 channel receivers X2 in the SL-2)? There is an 8 way charger for these new mini transmitters as well as USB C timecode cables available. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trey LaCroix Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I’ve noticed it’s branded only as “Sound Devices.” Does this means they are dropping the Audio LTD name? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanWBS Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 4 minutes ago, Trey LaCroix said: I’ve noticed it’s branded only as “Sound Devices.” Does this means they are dropping the Audio LTD name? Yes, going forward I believe there will be a rebranding so all is under the same flag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Slick little unit and cool it pairs well with the Sound Devices kits. Interesting that it is priced $200/unit above Zaxcom's ZMT4 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanWBS Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 3 minutes ago, codyman said: Slick little unit and cool it pairs well with the Sound Devices kits. Interesting that it is priced $200/unit above Zaxcom's ZMT4 though. Can't 100% verify yet but looking at UK prices online for the Zaxcom ZMT4 I believe the A20 might be on par if not a little cheaper. One thing to note is that you won't need any other transmitters or receivers on different frequencies as the A20 covers all across the the A10 receiver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 minute ago, NathanWBS said: Can't 100% verify yet but looking at UK prices online for the Zaxcom ZMT4 I believe the A20 might be on par if not a little cheaper. USA pricing according to Gotham's email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NathanWBS Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 (edited) 2 minutes ago, codyman said: USA pricing according to Gotham's email. Yeah Im assuming this is based off an already discounted price for the Zaxcom. The list price of the A20 is pretty close to a UK listing of the Zaxcom(not sure if this is listed at list price or discounted on this side). That's all I can say for now. Edited July 20, 2021 by NathanWBS Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tuhiva Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Woaw So $2000 and more is becoming the new norm for transmitters.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daniel Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 1 hour ago, Tuhiva said: Woaw So $2000 and more is becoming the new norm for transmitters.... micro tx never cheap on release: https://www.locationsound.com/sennheiser-sk-5212-ii-bodypack-transmitter-3590 obviously these sennys are cheaper now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 2:50 continuous transmit runtime at 40mW… 3hrs if you use lithium AAAs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matthias Richter Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 39 minutes ago, Derek H said: 2:50 continuous transmit runtime at 40mW… 3hrs if you use lithium AAAs that’s way too short for set life. You can’t wait for the battery to die but need to change when still safe AND in an appropriate moment to approach the actor. So it’s 2:30 at max which means up to 3 batteries until lunch break. Not cool. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 2 minutes ago, Matthias Richter said: that’s way too short for set life. You can’t wait for the battery to die but need to change when still safe AND in an appropriate moment to approach the actor. So it’s 2:30 at max which means up to 3 batteries until lunch break. Not cool. Yeah where did you find the figures on this? Lectro DBSM single AA NiMH at 50mw digital transmission gets 4h20m runtime on that single AA. Doesn't have all the bluetooth connectivity to remote things to it it but that is a almost twice the runtime on a 1/3rd the amount of batteries. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BAB414 Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I'm not a fan of how much you have to rely on phone/tablet devices and their apps to configure these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Boomboom Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 4 hours ago, BAB414 said: Anyone know if it records and transmits at the same time? Yep, with the European version, like the a-10 2 hours ago, Derek H said: 2:50 continuous transmit runtime at 40mW… 3hrs if you use lithium AAAs ... deal breaker for me. Damn, I searched and didn't find any answer; I would have expected something like 6 hours without recording, 4 hours transmitting+recording. Or so. 47 minutes ago, BAB414 said: I'm not a fan of how much you have to rely on phone/tablet devices and their apps to configure these. +1, they should develop an independant unit (think of a remote) to bypass phones and tablets. Since I saw how things turned out with the 788 CL-Wifi development and updates I've had my lesson. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 I read it in the user manual for the unit. None of the press releases mentioned runtime so I figured it must be abysmal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ProSound Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Only thing huge about this is price the run time and AAA choice make it a non starter for me to even consider Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Larsen Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Looked quite exciting until I also figured out the runtime and that the charger which you need to sync them all at once runs for over a grand, when it is app based - is there any reason to not have them all sync via bluetooth? I have synced up to 12 Tentacles over bluetooth. Sure, it takes a minute or so, but saves the hastle to jam many units physically. Any way to auto coordinate? Maybe via an 8 series recorder? So close, yet so far from being perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted July 20, 2021 Report Share Posted July 20, 2021 Not to hijack the thread, but I wonder if Sennheiser will expand their EW-D digital series to include a portable receiver? You can get a mic pack + receiver that is roughly the A1 wideband of frequencies, has bluetooth remote control and setup, but for $599 (that's transmitter + receiver). Right now you'd have to use it in a rack on your cart but you can have 8 channels of digital wireless with remote control abilities for well under $10k. Battery life is 8+ hours too on two AA's, even with the bluetooth connectivity. https://mixdownmag.com.au/reviews/review-fender-jason-isbell-custom-telecaster/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattias Larsen Posted July 21, 2021 Report Share Posted July 21, 2021 44 minutes ago, codyman said: Not to hijack the thread, but I wonder if Sennheiser will expand their EW-D digital series to include a portable receiver? You can get a mic pack + receiver that is roughly the A1 wideband of frequencies, has bluetooth remote control and setup, but for $599 (that's transmitter + receiver). Right now you'd have to use it in a rack on your cart but you can have 8 channels of digital wireless with remote control abilities for well under $10k. Battery life is 8+ hours too on two AA's, even with the bluetooth connectivity. https://mixdownmag.com.au/reviews/review-fender-jason-isbell-custom-telecaster/ For sure, it seems like a somewhat hard sell. Battery life with 10mw seems to be 4.5hrs according to paul on FB, estimating that if it is off 50% of the time manually, it will be 8.5 hours. But they need to compete with ZMT4 that has 6 hour runtime and powerroll. Or if recording is put to the side, it needs to compete with Shure (with remote capabilities) and to some extent Lectro/Wisy (Symphony TX with remote capabilities is bound to come at some point). The Sennheiser EW-D is quite interesting, but also just almoust there imo, I dont see as a competition at this level of wireless even if it uses a similair gain structure as shure and is completely app driven. Think it has autocoordinate, but no remote changes of frequencies without touching the TX is a bit of missed oppertunity on that one, and the range doesnt seem that impressive from the demos. Full wideband is sweet tho Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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