Mack Posted November 3, 2021 Report Share Posted November 3, 2021 If so, curious what you think. Shopping around for a new sound cart and was just looking at the Proaim Soundchief Lite Cart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shastapete Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 As with all of Proaim's products, that cart is a knock off of PSC's sound cart https://professionalsound.com/specs/soundcart.htm, their other sound cart is a knock off of Inovativ's "Deploy" https://www.inovativ.com/deploy-gen-iv/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mack Posted November 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 Looks like those PSC carts are discontinued? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dsound Posted November 4, 2021 Report Share Posted November 4, 2021 I have a PSC cart that I may consider selling- it’s in great shape! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tobi A Posted November 7, 2021 Report Share Posted November 7, 2021 Proaims soundchief looks like a direct copy of a Rastorder Foldup cart http://www.rastorder.com.au/product_foldup.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stalder Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 Hi Group. Yes indeed the old copycat proaim global purchased a Foldup from me under the guise of using it as a rental for their company movri rentals in Vancouver. I had a bit of a spit on instagram @rastorder In fact the one they show in their pictures is actually the one I sent them. Grubs will be grubs I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edward chick Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 As the saying goes “you get what you pay for. “ I bought a Fold Up Cart from Rastorder over ten years ago.. one of the best gear investments I made. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted December 23, 2021 Report Share Posted December 23, 2021 5 hours ago, Rob Stalder said: Hi Group. Yes indeed the old copycat proaim global purchased a Foldup from me under the guise of using it as a rental for their company movri rentals in Vancouver. Sorry to hear that they are ripping off your builds, Rob. Worth pursuing legally given their roots in Canada? I'd imagine intellectual property there is treated pretty decent there? Love the DD cart. Mine is now officially 1 year old and working great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Erob Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 22 hours ago, codyman said: Sorry to hear that they are ripping off your builds, Rob. Worth pursuing legally given their roots in Canada? I'd imagine intellectual property there is treated pretty decent there? Love the DD cart. Mine is now officially 1 year old and working great. I believe this is actually a misnomer, I’m 99.9% sure they are actually based in India. But I originally thought they were a Canadian company too, as well as some of my friends. So whatever they are doing to convince us they are Canadians if in fact they aren’t, is working. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stalder Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Thanks for your comments Edward and Codyman. Proaim Global is based in Mumbai, India. However they have companies with warehouses set up in Vancouver (Canada) and Brussels (Belgium). This way they are well placed to road freight into neighbouring countries cheaply and without too much drama. It also gives them access to buy equipment from these countries, stealing the interlectual property, sending them back to Mumbai to be copycated. Very cute, (some might say criminal) business model. Their freight cost to their warehouses by sea freight would be peanuts. Makes me think I need an alternative to air freight... And of course there will always be other grubs who will support them by buying their products. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 This seems to be business model for a lot of companies. First they sell clear copycats of existing products, then introduce a couple products that seem to be their own, but are still cheap and poor quality, and after a while they are somehow awarded respectability. I believe a certain Chinese company has an mkh416 ripoff available that people are now turning a blind eye to. Just like when Behringer was making identical mixers to Mackies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 They "Behringered" you. Meanwhile, PSC's older design cart is itself a copy of an old LA-Hollywood cart made by 3-G Welding, that was sold through Skyline Audio in the late '70s-early '80s, so design "borrowing" has been going on for awhile. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted December 24, 2021 Report Share Posted December 24, 2021 Thank you, Philip, for pointing this out. I remember the Skyline cart very well -- back at time when there were just a few, if even that, commercially produced sound carts. Audio Services/PSC definitely "borrowed" the design for their cart. The PSC cart only became somewhat of a standard because there were very few choices for sound mixers who wanted to just buy something and not have to worry about designing and building a cart themselves. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob Stalder Posted December 26, 2021 Report Share Posted December 26, 2021 From my point of view there is a huge difference between (I wont say design) concept borrowing and outright cloning (copycating). There are many people who have copied my upright carts. I don't really have a problem with that. Most have slightly modified the style & put a fair bit of effort into their build. Not so Proaim Global. They outright steal the whole intellectual property and clone it. I could be accused of borrowing concepts. If I have, I believe I have created a new product, with new dimensions, new mobility and new work flow solutions. The change in workflow in the last 15 years has been interesting. PSC's Euro cart was at the pointy end of cart design progress when it was released. I also acknowledge there were members of this community who contributed to it. There have been quite a few cart builders who have followed their lead with their own versions. No one has copycated it. Back to Proaim Global. My advice is, if you go on set and there is one of their copycat products there, voice your distaste. At the end of the day if you don't support original manufactures, we will go away. Rob Stalder www.rastorder.com.au Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted February 21, 2022 Report Share Posted February 21, 2022 Well Proaim Global are up to their old tricks this time with two of my carts, the Production Sound Cart and the MiniCart. Of course you get what you pay for! Despite how clever they think they are, they don't appear to be able to work out the correct way to mount the handle!? The support of the sound community, as ever, is hugely appreciated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matt Bacon AMPS Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 Proaim strike again... this time with a copy of the Nebtek. Shameless. If you hear anyone considering buying one of their carts on this group or on a social media group please encourage them not to do so. Better yet, suggest they buy it from the original manufacturer. Thanks again for your support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
codyman Posted July 28, 2022 Report Share Posted July 28, 2022 I finally saw someone on a shoot with a proaim cart but it was one of those Inovativ knock off carts. The guy was a know-it-all schmuck to deal with even before I noticed the label so it wasn't shocking once I did. He definitely wanted to make people think he had an Inovativ without actually paying actually for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niall O'Sullivan Posted August 19, 2022 Report Share Posted August 19, 2022 In rushed prep in lockdown v1.0 I foolishly bought one of their innovative rip offs and paid the price. Ergonomics balance ,rack size conventions all off . Weighs a ton . In the words of Neil Young “piece of crap” Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolas Simon Posted November 24, 2023 Report Share Posted November 24, 2023 Thanks for all these precious informations. This thread is so useful. It helped me realize that Proaim seems a company producing copycats I will NOT buy their products. I was looking for an Orca Bags OR-30, and I discovered this new bag from Proaim. https://www.proaim.be/collections/professional-audio-cases/products/proaim-audio-cine-cube-bag-for-sound-mixers-wireless-receivers I was surprized it looked so much like the Orca Bags design. After reading this thread, I understand it is only a bad copy…. And ironically it is advertised as « meticulous designing » Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted November 25, 2023 Report Share Posted November 25, 2023 Like I said: "Behringered". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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