Brian Milliken Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hi All I am about to start a shoot "The Deep" for the BBC here in the UK, a lot of it is set in Submarines/Submersibles all these sets have virtually no ceiling height so I am anticipating a lot of Radio Mic usage, however I am seeking advice on the best low profile Boom rig, I was thinking about the Schoeps CCM 4 in a Cinela Mount, if anyone has any experience of this rig or a rig that they would recommend I would be delighted to hear from you. Kindest Regards Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason porter Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 it doesn't get much smaller than that!!! Maybe a small PSC mount or K-Tek SSM with a GVC? (mic body parallel to the boompole) I am shooting on a sub next week, they said "no wireless", but my boom setup is a CMC4MK41 on an Invision 6 (wishing I had GVC, lol) Goodluck. -Jason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soundtrane Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 agree with Jason - i have not seen anything smaller than this setup as yet. -vin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Milliken Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 So what to go for MK 4 or MK 41, I like the wide pattern of the Senn MKH 40 which I have used many times successfully, which capsule better matches it. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 So what to go for MK 4 or MK 41, I like the wide pattern of the Senn MKH 40 which I have used many times successfully, which capsule better matches it. Brian I would go with a MK 41 (hypercardioid) Schoeps and a GVC (swiveling 90), small shockmount (Invision or other). This will give you very low profile, I have used this setup many times, and when you don't need the extra low profile you still have a "full size" microphone. If you prefer the sound of Sennhesier, the 8050 (or 8040?) is already a very small profile microphone (read Glen Trew's report on the new Rycote/Senn. setup for this mic). Regards, Jeff Wexler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Tuffrey Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I've got a ccm 41 in a Rycote mount that is one circle with a clip in the middle suspended by 4 rubber hoops which clips onto the middle of the mic and creates a very short footprint. Even shorter than the Cinela. Have a furry from a Rycote lavalier wind jammer on the end as you can't get a foam w/s on it due to the clip mounting around the mic body and not the lemo. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Milliken Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 How does it handle a fast move "whoosh" wise ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
john.e.perkin Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I was shooting on a coach on a TV stage a few weeks ago using quite a comprehensive AKG Blue Line kit, the knuckles did prove to be invaluable on wider shots and allowed me to keep the preamp horizontal and allowed the capsule to rotate though 90 degrees, it was great as the location was so tight. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Lamontagne Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 CCM 41 with an invision mount will be very rewarding and very usefull for many years. Good luck! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian Milliken Posted November 12, 2009 Author Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I understand Jeff from previous post that with the right mount and Boom Op your personal preference is not to use the CUT 1 indoors, with that in mind what is the best Foam Gag to use, I read a previous thread on this but it was kind of inconclusive. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glen Trew Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 Hi Brian, The rig in your photo is low profile, all right, but I think it is actually a little larger overall profile than a CMC6 body with MK-41 capsule and GVC swivel, making it even better for low ceilings, doorways, and the occasional torpedo tube. The trick is to make sure your suspension can tilt enough so that the body of the mic is completely parallel with the boom pole. The PSC Universal mount can tilt this way, and so can the Rycote Invision. However, the PSC mount will actually reduce the profile by about 1/2-inch more compared to the Rycote Invision. The Rycote Invision is a more sophisticated isolation suspension, but the PSC and Schoeps combo keeps handling noise manageable. Just be sure to give at least one of the PSC O-rings a twist to keep the mic from twisting. The GVC swivel will hold up just fine with normal movement of the mic. If you get a used swivel that is a little loose, there is a screw under the cap that can tighten the slip joint. Best, Glen Trew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I understand Jeff from previous post that with the right mount and Boom Op your personal preference is not to use the CUT 1 indoors, with that in mind what is the best Foam Gag to use, I read a previous thread on this but it was kind of inconclusive. Brian With all of the short Schoeps Don and I have used basically 4 foam-type windscreens depending on the conditions. 1- very small foam teardrop, 2- normal size foam teardrop (hollow - a true Schoeps windscreen), 3- round foam ball (either the hollow one from Schoeps or normal solid foam from Sennheiser), 4- ball-cage style windscreen, round, with furry cover (this Schoeps combination is surprisingly effective even outdoors). (and incidentally, we have used the CUT-1 on occasion with these windscreen choices) Regards, Jeff Wexler Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jason porter Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 I just picked up the Schoeps BD5 foam, it is amazing! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
John Blankenship Posted November 12, 2009 Report Share Posted November 12, 2009 For run-n-gun type use -- like trying to maneuver the passageways of a sub -- along with the GVC swivel, I'd strongly recommend the addition of a Cut 1. In the hands of an experienced boom op, the Cut 1 may not be necessary but if you're mixing, swinging a boom, and moving all at the same time, I'd definitely recommend it. John B. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Tuffrey Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 My ccm 41 really hears it's own cable so I've put a couple of loops in and cable tied each loop to the frame of the Rycote which has dramatically reduced the handling noise. When I got it the rubber rings where doubled up and where tight and loosening them quietened it down a lot too. I guess the invision is a loose suspension with a low resonance. I got a Schoeps suspension with the rubber mount and apart from casting less shadows, I don't rate it. It's not low profile depth wise either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Audio Daddyo Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Oleg, Do you have an photos of this set up? Andy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Marts Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 My approach to a low profile rig is to use a Schoeps with a Shure doughnut (A53 mount) and a GVC swivel. The microphone is mounted parallel and to the side of the boom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Visser Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Something like this looks interesting, never used it, but happened upon it while looking for something else... It comes in a 4' or 7' length. http://www.audixusa.com/docs/products/MicroBoom.shtml The M1255B capsule is designed for "distance micing" and has a hyper capsule http://www.audixusa.com/docs/products/M1255B.shtml In tight sub quarters, a boom longer than several feet would be pretty unwieldy, and this is light enough that it could be quickly jammed or velcro'd to an overhead or bulkhead. Last time I was on an Ohio class sub, I think I slept for about 48 hours straight, I just remember it being incredibly comfortable knowing that no one could come down and wake me up. There is summing about the hum of nuclear machinery that is soothing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted November 13, 2009 Report Share Posted November 13, 2009 Something like this looks interesting, never used it, but happened upon it while looking for something else... You will have to try again if you are trying to post a picture. Possibly you could post the link to the specific Audix page that shows what you are talking about. - JW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RANDO MAC Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 HI , THE BEST MICROPHONE SHOCK MOUNT FOR LOW PROFILE WORK, IS THE PSC/MCDONALD UNIVERSAL MOUNT. THIS MOUNT HAS BEEN RECENTLY UPGRADED TO THE PSC/MCDONALD M5 PRO, WHICH INCORPERATES BUILT IN CEILING BUMPERS AND FOLDS PARELLEL WITH THE BOOM POLE, ALLOWING FOR USE WITH THE SCHOEPS GVC SWIVEL, PROVIDING THE LOWEST PROFILE CONFIGURATION POSSIBLE, WHILE STILL RETAINING ALL OF THE SUPERIOR SUSPENSION AND ISOLATION PROPERTIES OF THIS MOUNT IN IT'S MORE CONVENTIONAL CONFIGURATION. RANDO MAC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jeff Wexler Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 Ear plugs anyone? Caps lock is not your friend. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Philip Perkins Posted February 13, 2015 Report Share Posted February 13, 2015 I've used setup like Mr Marts many times with success. Your boomie will have to be more careful than usual becasue the added weight of the GVC will make the mic flop around a bit more in the mount. The also have to be more concious of holding the mic in correct position since in the side-mount config wants to flip sideways. Having done this rig a lot I can say that you won't want to use it except when you really have to... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jlempen Posted February 14, 2015 Report Share Posted February 14, 2015 I know this thread is several years old. Since then, Cinela released an even smaller mount for the Schoeps CCM series, The Minix. I believe it to be the smallest mount available for the Schoeps CCM, and there's a variant for the Sennheiser 8000 series available as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pkautzsch Posted February 16, 2015 Report Share Posted February 16, 2015 Rycote Invision 1 or 4 will hold the Lemo connector of a CCM-L, so you can use the foam. Inv 5 holds the mic and connector or the fixed cable version. Looks like about the same size as the older Cinela mount. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JonG Posted February 17, 2015 Report Share Posted February 17, 2015 Ive heard someone mention that they used an Earthworks mic for this sort of job. I am not sure about which model exactly, but you can see that they have some interesting options: http://www.earthworksaudio.com/studio/ Maybe someone else who remembers which thread that's in can chime in. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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