justanross Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Hey Guys, I just got a Zoom H4n. I'm wondering how guys have it set up from your 442's? I'm having trouble getting the levels right into the Zoom. Right now if I go just past the noon position on the faders they start to distort. I want them to be able to match the same as the ones going to camera. At the moment I'm not really using it for anything. I'd mainly like to use it as back up if requested. I just want it all sorted out now so that its not a last minute thing if I get job requiring it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemmerlinj Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Are you using XLR's or 1/4'' TRS? I believe that an xlr can only be mic level and a 1/4" TRS is only gonna be line level. So that could be the problem. J Hemmerlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon Goodman Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I sometimes use it with a 302 for back up and have to use a couple of pads to bring the level down to be acceptable. The line level in isn't really line level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I sometimes use it with a 302 for back up and have to use a couple of pads to bring the level down to be acceptable. The line level in isn't really line level. Most likely it's -10 like the inputs on your home stereo and such. The output voltage for line level at "0" is .775 volts ac and 1.23 vac for +4, while "0" might work you're best served feeding a -10 input signal if you get distortion from a "0" level signal. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted April 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Most likely it's -10 like the inputs on your home stereo and such. The output voltage for line level at "0" is .775 volts ac and 1.23 vac for +4, while "0" might work you're best served feeding a -10 input signal if you get distortion from a "0" level signal. Eric Yah, I figured I need some proper cables made up for it. Just wanted to here your guys opinions on it all. I'll get my cable guy to make me some. Justan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Yah, I figured I need some proper cables made up for it. Just wanted to here your guys opinions on it all. I'll get my cable guy to make me some. Justan Get both xlr to 1/4" unbalanced and TA3f to 1/4" unbalanced so you can feed the H4n from either the xlr or TA3 outs on the 442. Besure to select -10 output level. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hemmerlinj Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I sometimes use it with a 302 for back up and have to use a couple of pads to bring the level down to be acceptable. The line level in isn't really line level. Why don't you just attenuate the output of the 302 a few db? Then you have less gack in the rig. J Hemmerlin Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabi Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 Are you using XLR's or 1/4'' TRS? I believe that an xlr can only be mic level and a 1/4" TRS is only gonna be line level. So that could be the problem. J Hemmerlin I have used the older model (Zoom H4) and the unbalanced 1/4" is the line level input while the XLR is Mic level only. I believe I was able to feed it +4dBu but if that is not the case, why don't you attenuate the 442 outputs to -10dBV? You can use the 10 pin Hirose to feed the camera at +4dBu and attenuate the XLR to -10dBV to feed your H4n... Gabi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justanross Posted April 22, 2010 Author Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I have used the older model (Zoom H4) and the unbalanced 1/4" is the line level input while the XLR is Mic level only. I believe I was able to feed it +4dBu but if that is not the case, why don't you attenuate the 442 outputs to -10dBV? You can use the 10 pin Hirose to feed the camera at +4dBu and attenuate the XLR to -10dBV to feed your H4n... Gabi I just tried the 1/4" it does sound alot better not as hot. I wanted to use the TA3 outs. I will fool around with the hirose and xlr's to see if I can get one to work. Thanks again guys. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Eric Toline Posted April 22, 2010 Report Share Posted April 22, 2010 I just tried the 1/4" it does sound alot better not as hot. I wanted to use the TA3 outs. I will fool around with the hirose and xlr's to see if I can get one to work. Thanks again guys. Leave the multipin Hirose alone. All level changes are done inside the mixer before the signal get's to an output connection. Eric Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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