RadoStefanov Posted September 15 Report Share Posted September 15 2 hours ago, Constantin said: What??? That’s terrible! Totally understand giving up the 4017 because of RF. I just stopped using mine more or less altogether. Sometimes I switch to an HM transmitter to make it work. But my current MO is to not use shotguns altogether, so it matters less than it used to Now I am having horrible reality issues with my mini cmit. All other Schoeps work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted September 16 Author Report Share Posted September 16 Reality issues? Reliability? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted September 29 Author Report Share Posted September 29 I bought a 2017. Will report back as I get to know it. Also a RAD mount for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inspire Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 I am very interested in your review. I would go with this myself to record events with high SPL value, such as car acceleration competitions, jet destroyers, etc. It could be a little more courageous even if the iPhone reports a high SPL (the report is, this yellow ear will let you know the big SPL in phone). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fred Salles Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 Here is a youtuber's review of the 2017 with some comparisons with 4017 and 416: In this video I like the bass of the 4017 that I do not get to hear from the 2017. Difference on paper is the cut at 60Hz on the 2017 versus @50Hz for the 4017 but it sounds like the bass cut is much steeper on the 2017 or starts actually higher than 60. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 It's funny. When I was at the DPA headquarters and factory in 2014 I witnessed how many capsules were thrown out for not being absolutely perfect. I proposed them to sale them cheaper. I would not mind "and can benefit" from different frequency response capsules. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 35 minutes ago, RadoStefanov said: It's funny. When I was at the DPA headquarters and factory in 2014 I witnessed how many capsules were thrown out for not being absolutely perfect. I proposed them to sale them cheaper. I would not mind "and can benefit" from different frequency response capsules. Maybe the current owners are more open to that approach? Remember it was sold to RCF Group in 2018, then last year Palladio Holding add DPA to their private equity portfolio (which also includes Wisycom). I don't know what strategic changes have been and will be made, but I presume change is part of the deal... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Derek H Posted September 29 Author Report Share Posted September 29 1 hour ago, RadoStefanov said: It's funny. When I was at the DPA headquarters and factory in 2014 I witnessed how many capsules were thrown out for not being absolutely perfect. I proposed them to sale them cheaper. I would not mind "and can benefit" from different frequency response capsules. Are you implying that you think the 2017 is using some sort of factory reject 4017 capsule? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RadoStefanov Posted September 29 Report Share Posted September 29 3 minutes ago, Derek H said: Are you implying that you think the 2017 is using some sort of factory reject 4017 capsule? It is possible. But that does not mean it is necessary bad. As I said I think their standards were pretty insane. I don't think a freq response curve of +0.5db at 2kHz would make any difference to the mic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 16 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: It's funny. When I was at the DPA headquarters and factory in 2014 I witnessed how many capsules were thrown out for not being absolutely perfect. I proposed them to sale them cheaper. I would not mind "and can benefit" from different frequency response capsules. 14 hours ago, Derek H said: Are you implying that you think the 2017 is using some sort of factory reject 4017 capsule? 14 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: It is possible. But that does not mean it is necessary bad. As I said I think their standards were pretty insane. I don't think a freq response curve of +0.5db at 2kHz would make any difference to the mic. Before this supposition gets out of hand let's remember that DPA was born out of music engineers using a certain range of Bruel & Kjaer omni (free and diffuse field) microphone capsules designed for instrumentation recording and measurement. They were (are) hellishly expensive, making Schoeps etc offerings look cheap as chips, but then if you're building an X-Plane at Boeing you expect and are willing to pay for the 'insane' standards: what use is an off-spec instrumentation capsule? = Squat. Destroy it. After B&K released their own 'niche' music mic range (eg the 4007) this team soon broke from the (huge) B&K company and became DPA, specialising in music and then film/broadcast/theatre markets. They carried on with the quality ethic of their predecessors as this was what started the new industries interest in the microphones in the first place. I've no real idea but I imagine the lav mics and the theatre market changed DPA's outlook somewhat, with the vast sales of one of their 'cheap' microphones showing the possibilities for increased sales, a new 'entry level' (mid-level to us...) range etc. The earlier '20..' series designs were cheaper to make generally electret designs compared to the flagship '40..' series mics and totally different to their pricier equivalents: I assume this is still the case. There will be little if anything interchangeable between 20/40 relative models, certainly not the capsules. So to reply paraphrasing Rado, it is NOT possible ... and necessarily good! Many here will have some Bruel and Kjaer equipment without perhaps realising it - the Nagra modulometer (and many parts of the IV-SJ and TI) were made for Kudelski by them. Jez Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OB1 Posted September 30 Report Share Posted September 30 I will always keep and enjoy my B&K 4011s matched pair... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Feeley Posted October 1 Report Share Posted October 1 On 9/29/2024 at 6:35 PM, Derek H said: Are you implying that you think the 2017 is using some sort of factory reject 4017 capsule? I'd guess that DPA is mainly expanding their target market. Not just existing "Looking for alternatives to Schoeps" users (insert your fave brands), but also "Influenced by Influencers" people who will pay semi-premium prices for almost-amazing (and functionally perfectly fine) microphones. Just like lots of companies: Slightly looser tolerances improves acceptable yield and still results in a mic that many will find works just great. Jim "Saying the obvious again" Feeley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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