Bouke Posted January 22 Author Report Posted January 22 10 minutes ago, RadoStefanov said: did is differently worst then us Is my American English so bad or is this indeed gibberish? (Assuming gibberish is American as well as British.) Fact is, the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is if America backs him / her / them / they Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 11 hours ago, Bouke said: Is my American English so bad or is this indeed gibberish? (Assuming gibberish is American as well as British.) Fact is, the difference between a freedom fighter and a terrorist is if America backs him / her / them / they “definitely worst” Being old and typing on a phone. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 So let’s say a rich democracy with huge military and economic power allows for companies to grow huge and in and of themselves be a power big enough to crush other smaller companies and/or even countries. Let’s say this company wants to limit the use of its products in a specific country, even though the market of these products is “free” or liberal. Is that still democracy? Or free? Or liberal? Are huge conglomerates not a power big enough to sway different policies in different countries? Are those companies not very much like in 1700s Europe and elsewhere, where the rich land owners owned people and property and ruled over them with no regards to, say, livelihood or rights? Like a feodal community almost. Or are they just a product of democracy and liberalism? All the shiitake that Russia and china are doing to their people is terrible, but from my pov, the western capitalist democracy where we, like cattle, are being persuaded into, and get stuck to, products that lock us into an ecosystem, is equally bad. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 On 1/23/2025 at 2:09 AM, Olle Sjostrom said: So let’s say a rich democracy with huge military and economic power allows for companies to grow huge and in and of themselves be a power big enough to crush other smaller companies and/or even countries. Let’s say this company wants to limit the use of its products in a specific country, even though the market of these products is “free” or liberal. Is that still democracy? Or free? Or liberal? Are huge conglomerates not a power big enough to sway different policies in different countries? Are those companies not very much like in 1700s Europe and elsewhere, where the rich land owners owned people and property and ruled over them with no regards to, say, livelihood or rights? Like a feodal community almost. Or are they just a product of democracy and liberalism? All the shiitake that Russia and china are doing to their people is terrible, but from my pov, the western capitalist democracy where we, like cattle, are being persuaded into, and get stuck to, products that lock us into an ecosystem, is equally bad. I dont know what Russia and China are doing to their people. By the way at the moment the chances of major cities in Sweden being nuked in the future is 60/40. The sad part is the swedish politicians was forced by Us to make that choice. There are Swedish BGBV-90 on russian uncontested soil killing russian civilians. Let that sink in. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 8 hours ago, RadoStefanov said: I dont know what Russia and China are doing to their people. By the way at the moment the chances of major cities in Sweden being nuked in the future is 60/40. The sad part is the swedish politicians was forced by Us to make that choice. And what is the only country ever to have used a nuke to actually kill? also, I don’t know either what Russia and china are doing to their people, but the narrative is heavily US positive here in the western world. And I’m not convinced that the US is ”good” in that sense, more than any other countries. I mean I can’t say that there’s any one Right Country in this political landscape, they’re all trying to gain power in one way or another. Sure, if rather let a democratic power have the rights to things, but I’d rather choose to not have to be influenced by warmongering crazy rich people. But that’s not a choice I have because people with power are going to rule with iron fists, no matter if they’re democratically elected or not. It’s the same thing. In my book… I mean yeah we couldn’t choose not to join NATO for example. this was a huge derail, I’m sorry. The whole crazy world leader thing is appalling right now. Israel Palestine, Russia Ukraine, Trump/Elon vs World (both virtual and physical Greenland and hitler salute shenanigans)… Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 44 minutes ago, Olle Sjostrom said: And what is the only country ever to have used a nuke to actually kill? also, I don’t know either what Russia and china are doing to their people, but the narrative is heavily US positive here in the western world. And I’m not convinced that the US is ”good” in that sense, more than any other countries. I mean I can’t say that there’s any one Right Country in this political landscape, they’re all trying to gain power in one way or another. Sure, if rather let a democratic power have the rights to things, but I’d rather choose to not have to be influenced by warmongering crazy rich people. But that’s not a choice I have because people with power are going to rule with iron fists, no matter if they’re democratically elected or not. It’s the same thing. In my book… I mean yeah we couldn’t choose not to join NATO for example. this was a huge derail, I’m sorry. The whole crazy world leader thing is appalling right now. Israel Palestine, Russia Ukraine, Trump/Elon vs World (both virtual and physical Greenland and hitler salute shenanigans)… Nobody is saying we are good? It’s just we will never get nuked. Europe? That is a different story. By the way article 5 is a scam. We will never do anything. It has happen before. Quote
Bouke Posted January 24 Author Report Posted January 24 Quit it now. I've started this thread, and I would like to end it as well. It's not funny anymore. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 43 minutes ago, Bouke said: Quit it now. I've started this thread, and I would like to end it as well. It's not funny anymore. It was funny when you bashed my country. It’s not funny when I did the same to yours. I dont think the dutch are in any position to critique the USA. I am well informed about your ridiculous politicians and people. Also I would not trust the soviet stile EU propaganda about the world. Every action has a equal amount of reaction. Please have more respect for other people countries. It’s not colonial times. Consider this closed. Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 None of it was funny. Please stop. @Jeff Wexler, if you're around, this thread needs to be deleted. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 24 Report Posted January 24 4 minutes ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said: None of it was funny. Please stop. @Jeff Wexler, if you're around, this thread needs to be deleted. Exactly my point, None of it is funny. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 So I just got the news that google decided to rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America in Google Maps. So starting to not being funny at all even more. If a giant corporation like that can make changes like that, laying the way for more authoritarian moves on Trumps part… dark. oh hey here I was thinking google was being a doormat, but it turns out I had missed the part about renaming the gulf was actually a decision made by the administration and not by google… Wow. That’s some Putin shit right there Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 49 minutes ago, Olle Sjostrom said: So I just got the news that google decided to rename the Gulf of Mexico to Gulf of America in Google Maps. So starting to not being funny at all even more. If a giant corporation like that can make changes like that, laying the way for more authoritarian moves on Trumps part… dark. oh hey here I was thinking google was being a doormat, but it turns out I had missed the part about renaming the gulf was actually a decision made by the administration and not by google… Wow. That’s some Putin shit right there why are google playing ball??? They dont want their monopoly broken. Even through those tech monopolies failed the USA and allowed china’s competition to innovate and overtake us. Who cares about what we call a peace of water? Not even close to authoritarian. Europe filters and blocks real information and sterilizes the internet in order to manufacture consent. Real soviet stile Iron Wall. Real authoritarian rule! Not to mention that mexico is in North America. They called it Gulf of America. Not the Gulf of United states of america. I dont care and will never do. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Well, if a leader says "let's rename this geographical location that is called the exact same thing all over the world" and gets to do that, is that not authoritarian? I'm not saying it's a dictatorship, you have chosen a leader (Putin was also elected once, btw). But still, the devil is in the details. And renaming a very important geographical location (a pretty huge one as well) is hardly a detail. I dunno. It's foreshadowing in my book. Let's hope nothing else happens. Quote
Jim Feeley Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Weirdly, it looks like Google's compliance is regional: Google Maps to show Gulf of America and Mount McKinley to U.S. users [excerpt from the short article on Axios] Reality check: As for the gulf, the U.S. does not control exclusively the body of water, so it is not only up to America to decide what it is called. Google said users will see their official local name so users in Mexico will still see the "Gulf of Mexico." Users in other countries will see both names. ======== Whole article: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/28/google-maps-gulf-of-mexico-mount-mckinley Quote
RadoStefanov Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 5 minutes ago, Jim Feeley said: Weirdly, it looks like Google's compliance is regional: Google Maps to show Gulf of America and Mount McKinley to U.S. users [excerpt from the short article on Axios] Reality check: As for the gulf, the U.S. does not control exclusively the body of water, so it is not only up to America to decide what it is called. Google said users will see their official local name so users in Mexico will still see the "Gulf of Mexico." Users in other countries will see both names. ======== Whole article: https://www.axios.com/2025/01/28/google-maps-gulf-of-mexico-mount-mckinley There are so many more important things going on. This is a smoke screen. Like Elon nazi salute. 6 hours ago, Olle Sjostrom said: Well, if a leader says "let's rename this geographical location that is called the exact same thing all over the world" and gets to do that, is that not authoritarian? I'm not saying it's a dictatorship, you have chosen a leader (Putin was also elected once, btw). But still, the devil is in the details. And renaming a very important geographical location (a pretty huge one as well) is hardly a detail. I dunno. It's foreshadowing in my book. Let's hope nothing else happens. The USA and EU just made Romanian election invalid because they did not like who was about to get elected. It seams the EU is trying to deflect attention from their own failures and authoritarianism. 6 hours ago, Olle Sjostrom said: Well, if a leader says "let's rename this geographical location that is called the exact same thing all over the world" and gets to do that, is that not authoritarian? I'm not saying it's a dictatorship, you have chosen a leader (Putin was also elected once, btw). But still, the devil is in the details. And renaming a very important geographical location (a pretty huge one as well) is hardly a detail. I dunno. It's foreshadowing in my book. Let's hope nothing else happens. Regardless of what your media behind the iron curtain tells you Putin has overwhelming support in Russia. It’s over 80%. Quote
Constantin Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 First, why close this thread? Even if it has taken a dark turn, that’s a representation of the world today, and it needs to be addressed. Second, places have different names in different locations. For example, here in Germany (and I believe Sweden, too?) we call it the „East Sea“ (similar to North Sea). Almost everyone else calls it the Baltic Sea. I honestly do not see a big problem with renaming something. That‘s not an authoritarian trait (ironically, Google has done this in other places, too, usually when there are authoritarian leaders). Governing by executive order could be seen as authoritarian, but previous presidents have done that, too. And some of Trumps orders have been blocked by courts, which is the exact opposite of authoritarian. We don’t know what’s to come yet, and I have a feeling Rado may yet regret his words, but so far I don’t see it. Third, it’s easy to laugh at the EU from a distance, even a familial distance. And a lot is laughable. On the other hand, I can’t think of any other place that done so much for consumer rights and well-being. They even managed to break Apple‘s will and got them to switch to the USB-C connector. It‘s never easy to get 27 countries to agree on anything, and sometimes that may appear funny or ridiculous or whatever and they may land on the smallest possible compromise which may appear laughably small, but that’s how it works and is also the exact opposite of authoritarianism. Of course, Rado mostly refers to the military capabilities of the EU, for whatever reason, and it’s true, there is a clear lack of capability, although I wouldn’t underestimate France, Italy, Spain and the UK. Yes, I included the UK in this. Still, the EU has been complacent and lazy in this regard and has relied too much on the US, and this needs to be remedied. I know you think you are clear-eyed and have great insights thaz nobody else has, Rado, but you are wrong on almost every level in this thread, Rado, way off. And if you or anyone else don’t know what China and Russia are doing to their own people, then inform yourselves. It’s no secret. I‘d suggest we revisit this thread in a couple of years and see who will need to eat their words Quote
RadoStefanov Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 44 minutes ago, Constantin said: First, why close this thread? Even if it has taken a dark turn, that’s a representation of the world today, and it needs to be addressed. Second, places have different names in different locations. For example, here in Germany (and I believe Sweden, too?) we call it the „East Sea“ (similar to North Sea). Almost everyone else calls it the Baltic Sea. I honestly do not see a big problem with renaming something. That‘s not an authoritarian trait (ironically, Google has done this in other places, too, usually when there are authoritarian leaders). Governing by executive order could be seen as authoritarian, but previous presidents have done that, too. And some of Trumps orders have been blocked by courts, which is the exact opposite of authoritarian. We don’t know what’s to come yet, and I have a feeling Rado may yet regret his words, but so far I don’t see it. Third, it’s easy to laugh at the EU from a distance, even a familial distance. And a lot is laughable. On the other hand, I can’t think of any other place that done so much for consumer rights and well-being. They even managed to break Apple‘s will and got them to switch to the USB-C connector. It‘s never easy to get 27 countries to agree on anything, and sometimes that may appear funny or ridiculous or whatever and they may land on the smallest possible compromise which may appear laughably small, but that’s how it works and is also the exact opposite of authoritarianism. Of course, Rado mostly refers to the military capabilities of the EU, for whatever reason, and it’s true, there is a clear lack of capability, although I wouldn’t underestimate France, Italy, Spain and the UK. Yes, I included the UK in this. Still, the EU has been complacent and lazy in this regard and has relied too much on the US, and this needs to be remedied. I know you think you are clear-eyed and have great insights thaz nobody else has, Rado, but you are wrong on almost every level in this thread, Rado, way off. And if you or anyone else don’t know what China and Russia are doing to their own people, then inform yourselves. It’s no secret. I‘d suggest we revisit this thread in a couple of years and see who will need to eat their words First of all I dont laugh from a distance. I spend 3 months in Bulgaria and Ukraine every year. The Consumer rights??????? Everything done in Europe “under consumer rights” was to scare tech companies in to silencing speech and spying on its citizens. Limiting rights its all it is. I am not talking about military might. Nobody wants to invade Europe because they have absolutely nothing to offer. Yes in Russia and Europe people go to jail for speech. And Yes i include the UK as Europe. I will say it again Russia will never Nuke the USA. But Europe might eat it . And every country leader that is going down that road is an idiot. the people who are not on the street protesting this are idiots as well. Quote
Bouke Posted February 4 Author Report Posted February 4 4 hours ago, Constantin said: First, why close this thread? Cause it sadly turned out to be troll bait. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted February 4 Report Posted February 4 7 hours ago, Constantin said: First, why close this thread? Even if it has taken a dark turn, that’s a representation of the world today, and it needs to be addressed. Second, places have different names in different locations. For example, here in Germany (and I believe Sweden, too?) we call it the „East Sea“ (similar to North Sea). Almost everyone else calls it the Baltic Sea. I honestly do not see a big problem with renaming something. That‘s not an authoritarian trait (ironically, Google has done this in other places, too, usually when there are authoritarian leaders). Governing by executive order could be seen as authoritarian, but previous presidents have done that, too. And some of Trumps orders have been blocked by courts, which is the exact opposite of authoritarian. We don’t know what’s to come yet, and I have a feeling Rado may yet regret his words, but so far I don’t see it. Third, it’s easy to laugh at the EU from a distance, even a familial distance. And a lot is laughable. On the other hand, I can’t think of any other place that done so much for consumer rights and well-being. They even managed to break Apple‘s will and got them to switch to the USB-C connector. It‘s never easy to get 27 countries to agree on anything, and sometimes that may appear funny or ridiculous or whatever and they may land on the smallest possible compromise which may appear laughably small, but that’s how it works and is also the exact opposite of authoritarianism. Of course, Rado mostly refers to the military capabilities of the EU, for whatever reason, and it’s true, there is a clear lack of capability, although I wouldn’t underestimate France, Italy, Spain and the UK. Yes, I included the UK in this. Still, the EU has been complacent and lazy in this regard and has relied too much on the US, and this needs to be remedied. I know you think you are clear-eyed and have great insights thaz nobody else has, Rado, but you are wrong on almost every level in this thread, Rado, way off. And if you or anyone else don’t know what China and Russia are doing to their own people, then inform yourselves. It’s no secret. I‘d suggest we revisit this thread in a couple of years and see who will need to eat their words Can you point to where I am. “way off”? Quote
Izen Ears Posted Wednesday at 06:10 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:10 PM On 2/4/2025 at 6:31 AM, Bouke said: Cause it sadly turned out to be troll bait. This is false, Rado is not being a troll. You're misusing the word. This is a "heated discussion," not one person trying to shit on everything anyone else says. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted Wednesday at 06:30 PM Report Posted Wednesday at 06:30 PM 19 minutes ago, Izen Ears said: This is false, Rado is not being a troll. You're misusing the word. This is a "heated discussion," not one person trying to shit on everything anyone else says. True. I got involved because somebody was shitting on my country that I love by using condescending language to project his imaginary superiority! Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted Thursday at 08:46 AM Report Posted Thursday at 08:46 AM On 2/4/2025 at 8:49 AM, Constantin said: ...places have different names in different locations. For example, here in Germany (and I believe Sweden, too?) we call it the „East Sea“ (similar to North Sea). Almost everyone else calls it the Baltic Sea. I honestly do not see a big problem with renaming something. That‘s not an authoritarian trait (ironically, Google has done this in other places, too, usually when there are authoritarian leaders). Well, yes that's right, we call it East Sea instead of the Baltic Sea. But! That name change was not due to some authoritarian leader in a country and Google hasn't changed it because someone asked them to. When I wrote my post I didn't actually know it was a decision made by the administration, and Google renamed it because of that. You COULD interpret that as just abiding, or taking sides, or Trump's administration being authoritarian and/or showing colonial tendencies. I'm leaning towards Trump is just saying stuff, playing a Big Guy and maybe there's not much weight to those words. And this might just be a small detail, but still. It's interesting that you can change a name like that. If it were that all of USA, Canada, all of the Caribbean and most other countries in america called the gulf "Gulf of America", then I'll change my mind. My understanding is that Trump just wants to call it Gulf of America and then Google changed the name. I could be wrong of course. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted Thursday at 05:05 PM Report Posted Thursday at 05:05 PM Like I said: Google is a monopoly and afraid to be broken down. Which they should be. Competition forces innovation. Monopoly slows innovation. Any leader with half a brain will break Google in million pieces. Google is afraid of that and will do everything trump asks them to. One note: authoritarian presidents are not democratically elected by the majority of the voters participating in the election. I did not vote for him in ether election but am happy Kamala did not get elected when it comes to Putin dying and Russia nuking not only Europe but US as well. Quote
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