Thomas Farmer Posted May 8 Report Posted May 8 I'm wondering what the generally agreed upon dB level is for the music track itself in a music video export. I've seen other reports of the -6 to -12dBs range and that is what I have done before. On our first mix, I had the music track set to around -6 to -8 dBs and that seemed to sound alright. There are also short non-music sequences with location sound at the beginning and end that are mixed to normal standards so the music track at -8dB properly stands out (and provides an intentionally abrupt, but not too jarring volume change). The mastered music track from the artist comes in right at 0/-1dBs and he seems adamant about keeping it that way so as to "not affect the sound of the master". But that just doesn't seem right to me. We did a test export with the music track at 0dBs and as you would expect, we noticed distortion in some speakers during playback. So I'm just curious what other professionals have worked with before. The artist is not being super difficult about it, just really precious about the sound of his track so I'm trying to reassure and find a middle ground. Especially since I don't personally have much experience on the actual music side of mixing. Thanks! Quote
inspire Posted Friday at 02:30 AM Report Posted Friday at 02:30 AM -3dB below zero is the golden rule that is taught in school. But more minus is the taste thing! For example, in the case of natural recordings (records in the field) I leave a lot more minus so that it does not sound unnatural. Everyone must appreciate it with their own ears. Quote
Bouke Posted Friday at 11:22 AM Report Posted Friday at 11:22 AM What is a 'music video export'? A deliverable for broadcast has to meet specs, nowadays most of the time conform the R128 measurement method. -1 to 0 is old fashioned 'mix for CD' level, and is never ever used elsewhere. The "not affect the sound of the master" has nothing to do with a volume adjustment for the output file, as that only affects volume, and that can be simply counteracted by turning up the knob on the amp / tv set. I'm amazed such a question comes up on a forum like this. Quote
Rick Reineke Posted Friday at 03:20 PM Report Posted Friday at 03:20 PM The 'standard' loudness for music streaming these days is -14 LUFS (integrated). LU is not to be confused with dB (peak or RMS. There are many LU meter plug-ins available, free and otherwise. Most DAWs, NLEs and audio editing software have an LU meter option as well. Sound Forge Pro has a 'statistics' tool that is significantly faster than a real-time integrated measurement, for instance if you have a one hour show, the tool will render the pertinent data in about 10 sec (which also can be printed or saved as a text file). You can also check a file for streaming compliance here. (https://www.loudnesspenalty.com/), , Quote
inspire Posted Friday at 04:19 PM Report Posted Friday at 04:19 PM BTW first time I hear about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBU_R_128 😃 Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 09:14 AM Report Posted Saturday at 09:14 AM 16 hours ago, inspire said: BTW first time I hear about this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EBU_R_128 😃 Then you don't work in post. It is around for a VERY long time, and that's a good thing. It makes the life of a mixer easier, more room for dramatic effects, and no hidden surprises for the end users. Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 01:35 PM Report Posted Saturday at 01:35 PM Thanks Bouke! I talked with ChatGPT and will add EBU_R128_Loudness_Check_Sheet_Pro_Tools_English: I personally have iZotope Insight 2. 😀 EBU_R128_Loudness_Check_Sheet_Pro_Tools_English.pdf Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 01:59 PM Report Posted Saturday at 01:59 PM (Edit, just looked at your PDF, and sorry, playing back the entire shebang for measurements is nonsense. Work like you always did, chances are you are not far off. Then do a mixdown (you need to do so anyways) and analyze that. Mixdown and analyzing with a proper tool will be way faster than RT. My loudnesschange will give you a detailed report what parts to work on, but most of the time you will be fine with just a small overall volume change.) Well, obviously I use my own tools, like: https://www.videotoolshed.com/product/loudness-change/ And, sometimes (for live / long multicam events): https://www.videotoolshed.com/product/live-ebu-r128-meter/ (I still need to write a better routine to calibrate the routing.) For commercials in Europe it's a single util to do compliance, leveling, naming and generate XML: https://www.videotoolshed.com/product/spotxml/ /shameless self promotion Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 03:10 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:10 PM So what would you do blindly in this case? (This is a recording of birds in nature) Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 03:36 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:36 PM And this pobably all right, at least IMHO. (Four people's conversation) Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 03:42 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:42 PM I have no clue what I'm looking at. But, a positive dB value can only be a True Peak, as (afaik) 0 dB is the max value a sample can hold. A TP of 27,8 is created by a Gotham Thunderbird. Can you share the files? Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 03:46 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:46 PM I will delete the file later as it is not nice to keep such a lareg file in the forum. MixPre-011 - Copy.wav Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 03:49 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:49 PM 33 minutes ago, inspire said: (This is a recording of birds in nature) My gutfeeling tells me that this will be close to impossible to mix to a broadcast standard, the songs will be to 'peaky' to make any volume. (Let a VU meter come up.) The noise of wind in leaves will be concidered either silence (no part of the measurment) or way too low to get to the desired level. A doc explaining the content, or in European commercials, flag intentionally low level as True results from my work (Set to YouTube specs): (Test took just a few seconds.) Current specifications: YouTube Target Integrated Loudness (I): -14.0 Allowed difference +/-: 0.5 Max Momentary Loudness (M): 1.0 Max Short Term Loudness (S): 1.0 Max Loudness Range (LRA): NA Max True Peak: 0.0 Max allowed correction: 20 Check for mono: No /Users/bouke/Downloads/birds.wav. # NOTE, I renamed your file, this are the found values: Integrated Loudness (I): -31.8 LUFS True Peak (TP): -9.8 dBFS Loudness Range (LRA): 8.0 LUFS WARNING, Integrated loudness is 17.8 LU to low WARNING, peaks out of spec found, fix these before overall volume change! Note that the suggested value INCLUDES the needed volume change! 00:00:03:20 Momentary peak of 2.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.8 dB 00:00:04:05 Momentary peak of 2.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.4 dB 00:00:04:18 Momentary peak of 4.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.5 dB 00:00:05:05 Momentary peak of 4.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.8 dB 00:00:05:18 Momentary peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.2 dB 00:00:06:03 Short peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.2 dB 00:00:07:00 Momentary peak of 2.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.8 dB 00:00:07:13 Momentary peak of 2.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.4 dB 00:00:07:23 Short peak of 1.8 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.8 dB 00:00:25:08 Momentary peak of 3.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.5 dB 00:00:25:18 Momentary peak of 4.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.6 dB 00:00:26:05 Momentary peak of 4.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.1 dB 00:00:26:18 Momentary peak of 4.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.9 dB 00:00:27:03 Short peak of 2.3 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.3 dB 00:00:28:13 Momentary peak of 2.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.8 dB 00:00:29:00 Momentary peak of 3.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.3 dB 00:00:29:10 Short peak of 1.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.5 dB 00:00:34:15 Momentary peak of 3.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.5 dB 00:00:35:03 True peak of -14.6 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.2 dB 00:00:35:08 True peak of -14.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.9 dB 00:00:35:10 Momentary peak of 7.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.7 dB 00:00:35:18 True peak of -16.4 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.4 dB 00:00:35:20 Momentary peak of 6.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.6 dB 00:00:35:23 True peak of -15.4 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.4 dB 00:00:36:05 Momentary peak of 7.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.1 dB 00:00:36:08 True peak of -17.1 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.7 dB 00:00:36:10 Momentary peak of 5.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.8 dB 00:00:36:15 True peak of -14.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.9 dB 00:00:36:20 True peak of -13.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.1 dB 00:00:36:23 Momentary peak of 5.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.8 dB 00:00:37:05 True peak of -13.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.1 dB 00:00:37:10 Momentary peak of 3.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.4 dB 00:00:37:13 True peak of -13.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.8 dB 00:00:37:18 Momentary peak of 7.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.4 dB 00:00:37:23 True peak of -14.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.9 dB 00:00:38:05 Momentary peak of 7.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.5 dB 00:00:38:13 True peak of -10.2 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 7.6 dB 00:00:38:18 Momentary peak of 7.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.0 dB 00:00:39:00 Short peak of 5.7 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 4.7 dB 00:00:39:03 True peak of -13.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.8 dB 00:00:39:08 Momentary peak of 4.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.4 dB 00:00:39:13 Short peak of 5.4 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 4.4 dB 00:00:39:18 True peak of -14.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.1 dB 00:00:39:23 True peak of -12.2 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 5.6 dB 00:00:40:00 Momentary peak of 6.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.7 dB 00:00:40:03 True peak of -14.1 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.7 dB 00:00:40:05 Momentary peak of 6.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.5 dB 00:00:40:08 True peak of -14.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.8 dB 00:00:40:15 True peak of -14.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.1 dB 00:00:40:20 True peak of -15.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.1 dB 00:00:41:03 Momentary peak of 5.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.5 dB 00:00:41:13 Short peak of 4.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 3.5 dB 00:00:44:15 Momentary peak of 3.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.8 dB 00:00:45:03 Momentary peak of 4.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.0 dB 00:00:45:15 Momentary peak of 1.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.6 dB 00:00:46:08 Momentary peak of 1.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.3 dB 00:00:46:15 Short peak of 1.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.2 dB 00:00:47:20 Momentary peak of 2.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.5 dB 00:00:48:08 Momentary peak of 3.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.3 dB 00:00:53:08 True peak of -9.8 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 8.0 dB 00:00:53:13 Momentary peak of 6.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.4 dB 00:00:53:15 True peak of -15.3 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.5 dB 00:00:53:20 Momentary peak of 3.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.8 dB 00:00:55:23 Short peak of 1.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.2 dB 00:00:56:00 Momentary peak of 4.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.0 dB 00:00:56:10 Momentary peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.2 dB 00:00:56:23 Momentary peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.2 dB 00:00:57:05 True peak of -15.8 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.0 dB 00:00:57:10 Momentary peak of 4.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.9 dB 00:00:57:13 True peak of -17.3 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.5 dB 00:00:57:15 Momentary peak of 4.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.6 dB 00:00:57:23 Short peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.2 dB 00:00:58:00 Momentary peak of 1.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.1 dB 00:00:58:03 Short peak of 2.3 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.3 dB 00:00:58:23 Momentary peak of 4.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.0 dB 00:00:59:10 Momentary peak of 3.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.2 dB 00:00:59:23 Momentary peak of 1.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.8 dB 00:01:00:03 Short peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.2 dB 00:01:00:05 True peak of -15.1 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.7 dB 00:01:00:10 True peak of -15.5 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.3 dB 00:01:00:13 Momentary peak of 5.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.2 dB 00:01:00:20 Short peak of 2.0 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.0 dB 00:01:01:10 True peak of -17.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.1 dB 00:01:01:15 Momentary peak of 5.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.3 dB 00:01:01:18 True peak of -13.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.8 dB 00:01:01:20 Momentary peak of 6.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.8 dB 00:01:02:03 Short peak of 2.7 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.7 dB 00:01:07:18 Momentary peak of 1.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.6 dB 00:01:08:05 Momentary peak of 2.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.6 dB 00:01:08:15 Momentary peak of 4.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.9 dB 00:01:09:00 Momentary peak of 3.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.4 dB 00:01:09:10 Short peak of 1.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.1 dB 00:01:09:13 Momentary peak of 3.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.2 dB 00:01:09:23 Short peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.7 dB 00:01:10:15 Momentary peak of 3.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.6 dB 00:01:11:00 Momentary peak of 2.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.6 dB 00:01:11:05 Short peak of 1.9 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.9 dB 00:01:18:03 Momentary peak of 2.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.9 dB 00:01:19:23 True peak of -16.4 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.4 dB 00:01:20:03 Momentary peak of 7.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.3 dB 00:01:20:13 Short peak of 2.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.1 dB 00:01:21:03 Momentary peak of 5.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.3 dB 00:01:21:13 Momentary peak of 5.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.5 dB 00:01:22:00 Momentary peak of 2.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.0 dB 00:01:22:03 Short peak of 3.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 2.1 dB 00:01:29:15 Momentary peak of 2.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.5 dB 00:01:30:00 Momentary peak of 2.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.1 dB 00:01:30:15 Momentary peak of 4.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.4 dB 00:01:31:00 Momentary peak of 5.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.1 dB 00:01:31:10 Short peak of 1.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.5 dB 00:01:32:15 Momentary peak of 3.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.0 dB 00:01:33:00 Momentary peak of 5.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.8 dB 00:01:33:13 Momentary peak of 3.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.5 dB 00:01:33:18 Short peak of 2.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.1 dB 00:01:40:20 Momentary peak of 2.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.0 dB 00:01:42:20 Momentary peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.2 dB 00:01:43:20 Momentary peak of 3.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.2 dB 00:01:44:08 Momentary peak of 1.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.9 dB 00:01:48:00 Momentary peak of 2.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.5 dB 00:01:48:05 True peak of -17.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.1 dB 00:01:48:08 Momentary peak of 3.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.5 dB 00:01:48:15 True peak of -16.6 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.2 dB 00:01:48:18 Momentary peak of 2.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.7 dB 00:01:48:23 True peak of -15.8 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.0 dB 00:01:49:03 Momentary peak of 3.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.6 dB 00:01:49:10 True peak of -12.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.9 dB 00:01:49:15 Momentary peak of 5.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.1 dB 00:01:49:20 True peak of -17.6 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.2 dB 00:01:50:00 True peak of -13.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.8 dB 00:01:50:05 Momentary peak of 5.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.3 dB 00:01:50:08 True peak of -17.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.8 dB 00:01:50:13 True peak of -14.1 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.7 dB 00:01:50:20 True peak of -16.3 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.5 dB 00:01:51:00 Momentary peak of 5.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.2 dB 00:01:51:10 True peak of -10.0 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 7.8 dB 00:01:51:15 True peak of -13.8 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 4.0 dB 00:01:51:20 True peak of -13.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.9 dB 00:01:51:23 Momentary peak of 7.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 6.6 dB 00:01:52:00 True peak of -15.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.1 dB 00:01:52:03 Momentary peak of 6.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.5 dB 00:01:52:05 True peak of -15.5 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 2.3 dB 00:01:52:10 Momentary peak of 6.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.3 dB 00:01:52:20 Short peak of 5.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 4.5 dB 00:01:54:05 Momentary peak of 2.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.6 dB 00:01:54:15 Momentary peak of 2.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.0 dB 00:01:54:23 Short peak of 1.9 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.9 dB 00:02:01:10 True peak of -14.4 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.4 dB 00:02:02:18 Momentary peak of 1.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.8 dB 00:02:02:20 True peak of -15.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.9 dB 00:02:02:23 Momentary peak of 3.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.4 dB 00:02:03:10 Momentary peak of 5.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.1 dB 00:02:03:20 Momentary peak of 5.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.8 dB 00:02:04:08 Short peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.2 dB 00:02:05:13 Momentary peak of 2.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.8 dB 00:02:06:00 Momentary peak of 3.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.0 dB 00:02:06:13 Momentary peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.7 dB 00:02:06:15 Short peak of 1.9 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.9 dB 00:02:07:15 True peak of -17.1 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.7 dB 00:02:07:20 Momentary peak of 5.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.4 dB 00:02:08:03 Short peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.7 dB 00:02:08:05 True peak of -13.9 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.9 dB 00:02:08:10 Momentary peak of 6.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.3 dB 00:02:08:18 Short peak of 2.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.5 dB 00:02:08:23 True peak of -17.6 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.2 dB 00:02:09:00 Momentary peak of 4.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.0 dB 00:02:09:10 Short peak of 2.4 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.4 dB 00:02:09:15 True peak of -17.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.1 dB 00:02:09:18 Short peak of 2.6 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.6 dB 00:02:10:23 True peak of -17.7 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.1 dB 00:02:11:03 Short peak of 1.6 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.6 dB 00:02:13:03 Momentary peak of 3.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.1 dB 00:02:13:15 Momentary peak of 1.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.4 dB 00:02:14:13 Momentary peak of 3.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.6 dB 00:02:14:23 Momentary peak of 3.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.2 dB 00:02:15:15 Short peak of 1.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.1 dB 00:02:16:23 Momentary peak of 2.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.4 dB 00:02:17:08 Momentary peak of 2.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.3 dB 00:02:25:03 Momentary peak of 3.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.3 dB 00:02:25:15 Momentary peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.7 dB 00:02:26:20 Momentary peak of 5.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.6 dB 00:02:27:05 Momentary peak of 6.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 5.0 dB 00:02:27:15 Momentary peak of 5.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.7 dB 00:02:28:03 Short peak of 2.8 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.8 dB 00:02:35:20 Momentary peak of 2.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.5 dB 00:02:36:15 Momentary peak of 3.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.1 dB 00:02:37:03 Momentary peak of 4.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.1 dB 00:02:37:20 Short peak of 1.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.1 dB 00:02:39:00 Momentary peak of 5.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.0 dB 00:02:39:10 Momentary peak of 4.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.1 dB 00:02:39:20 Momentary peak of 2.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.1 dB 00:02:40:00 Short peak of 1.6 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.6 dB 00:02:47:00 Momentary peak of 1.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.5 dB 00:02:48:08 Momentary peak of 2.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.6 dB 00:02:48:18 Momentary peak of 2.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.9 dB 00:02:49:03 Momentary peak of 3.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.5 dB 00:02:49:08 True peak of -16.1 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.7 dB 00:02:49:10 Momentary peak of 3.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.4 dB 00:02:49:20 True peak of -14.5 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.3 dB 00:02:49:23 Momentary peak of 3.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.3 dB 00:02:50:03 True peak of -17.5 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.3 dB 00:02:50:08 Momentary peak of 5.5 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.5 dB 00:02:50:10 True peak of -17.6 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 0.2 dB 00:02:50:15 Momentary peak of 4.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.8 dB 00:02:50:18 True peak of -14.8 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 3.0 dB 00:02:50:23 Momentary peak of 4.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.7 dB 00:02:51:00 True peak of -16.5 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.3 dB 00:02:51:03 Momentary peak of 4.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.7 dB 00:02:51:10 Short peak of 3.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 2.5 dB 00:02:57:18 Momentary peak of 2.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.9 dB 00:02:58:03 Momentary peak of 3.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.2 dB 00:02:58:10 True peak of -16.2 dBTP, action: Lower this peak here by 1.6 dB 00:02:58:13 Momentary peak of 5.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.2 dB 00:02:58:23 Momentary peak of 3.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.4 dB 00:02:59:08 Momentary peak of 1.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.9 dB 00:02:59:15 Short peak of 2.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.2 dB 00:02:59:20 Momentary peak of 1.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.3 dB 00:03:00:03 Short peak of 2.3 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.3 dB 00:03:01:05 Momentary peak of 2.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.4 dB 00:03:01:15 Momentary peak of 3.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.0 dB 00:03:09:08 Momentary peak of 4.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.1 dB 00:03:09:18 Momentary peak of 3.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.1 dB 00:03:11:05 Momentary peak of 2.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.7 dB 00:03:11:15 Momentary peak of 2.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.7 dB 00:03:12:03 Short peak of 1.2 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.2 dB 00:03:19:23 Momentary peak of 4.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.9 dB 00:03:20:08 Momentary peak of 3.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.9 dB 00:03:20:18 Momentary peak of 2.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.9 dB 00:03:21:03 Momentary peak of 4.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.0 dB 00:03:21:15 Momentary peak of 1.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.4 dB 00:03:21:18 Short peak of 2.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.1 dB 00:03:23:00 Momentary peak of 1.6 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.6 dB 00:03:23:05 Short peak of 1.5 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.5 dB 00:03:23:10 Momentary peak of 1.2 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.2 dB 00:03:23:13 Short peak of 1.1 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.1 dB 00:03:31:10 Momentary peak of 2.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.3 dB 00:03:31:20 Momentary peak of 1.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.9 dB 00:03:32:05 Momentary peak of 1.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.4 dB 00:03:33:05 Momentary peak of 4.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.4 dB 00:03:33:15 Momentary peak of 3.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.3 dB 00:03:34:00 Short peak of 1.3 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.3 dB 00:03:43:03 Momentary peak of 3.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.1 dB 00:03:43:15 Momentary peak of 3.0 LU, action: lower this peak by 2.0 dB 00:03:44:05 Momentary peak of 1.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.1 dB 00:03:45:10 Momentary peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.7 dB 00:03:45:20 Momentary peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.7 dB 00:03:54:00 Momentary peak of 2.8 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.8 dB 00:03:54:10 Momentary peak of 4.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 3.9 dB 00:03:54:20 Momentary peak of 5.1 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.1 dB 00:03:55:05 Momentary peak of 2.3 LU, action: lower this peak by 1.3 dB 00:03:55:10 Short peak of 1.7 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 0.7 dB 00:03:56:15 Momentary peak of 5.4 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.4 dB 00:03:57:03 Momentary peak of 5.9 LU, action: lower this peak by 4.9 dB 00:03:57:15 Short peak of 2.4 LU, action: lower volume a couple of seconds here by 1.4 dB ------------------------------------------------ Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 03:59 PM Report Posted Saturday at 03:59 PM I think the same that in case like nature it must be set by ear, but of course, make sure that the level does not go beyond zero (-0,3 dB). Or better 3dB + 0,3 dB = 3,3 dB Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 04:04 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:04 PM The -14 is VERY loud, thus it needs tons of compression / limiting to get up to specs. Now, If i measure with the Dutch Long Form specs, I get way different values, your file would be up to specs with a very tiny dip at 1:51 and an overall volume change: (The ambient is quite loud.) Current specifications: Target Integrated Loudness (I): -23.0 Allowed difference +/-: 1.0 Max Momentary Loudness (M): 8.0 Max Short Term Loudness (S): NA Max Loudness Range (LRA): NA Max True Peak: -1.0 Max allowed correction: 20 Check for mono: No /Users/bouke/Downloads/birds.wav Integrated Loudness (I): -31.8 LUFS True Peak (TP): -9.8 dBFS Loudness Range (LRA): 8.0 LUFS WARNING, Integrated loudness is 8.8 LU to low WARNING, peaks out of spec found, fix these before overall volume change! Note that the suggested value INCLUDES the needed volume change! 00:01:51:15 Momentary peak of 8.7 LU, action: lower this peak by 0.7 dB Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 04:09 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:09 PM Thank you for the analysis! But you would not compress the voice of nature, which I think is wrong. Of course we tend the subject, but this is an interesting topic. On the background there is a seaside! That is why it comes "The ambient is quite loud". Nor did I elliminate the wind blowing into microphones, because it does not interfere so much, and it would again be wrong in my opinion. This is, of course, a taste thing. Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 04:17 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:17 PM Yeah, If I had to submit this for broadcast, I would only target the TP's, as they can get quite horrible in some pipelines (digital clicks), and normalize to be some -2dB. (Normal old fashioned normalize, NOT r128, as that would make it absurd loud in comparinson to other content.) Or, take a 'normal' show, make that up to specs (about, just for hearing reference) and level the birds to match that. It will be way too low, but 'good' in my book. Btw, I found iZotope RX 11 Advanced Audio in the metadata, did you already process this in 'any' way? Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 04:29 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:29 PM Yes, fade in, fade out, and levels. Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 04:35 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:35 PM Hmm, and you have a 1200 euro plugin for that 🙂 Quote
inspire Posted Saturday at 04:51 PM Report Posted Saturday at 04:51 PM No, I use it for all my hobby things in the audio area and I do not know the better tool. Quote
RadoStefanov Posted Saturday at 08:32 PM Report Posted Saturday at 08:32 PM I think this is a field/on location production mixers forum. Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 09:48 PM Report Posted Saturday at 09:48 PM You think wrong, this is " The Post Place" forum. Feel free to spill your enthusiasm and your open minded / humorous expertise on the subject! Quote
RadoStefanov Posted Saturday at 10:08 PM Report Posted Saturday at 10:08 PM What I meant is you can get better information in other places. Quote
Bouke Posted Saturday at 10:39 PM Report Posted Saturday at 10:39 PM Better in what sense? Is the information I provide not good? Please tell me where it is flawed. Quote
inspire Posted Monday at 12:32 PM Report Posted Monday at 12:32 PM I’ve removed the parts that weren’t directly relevant to this topic. In my own workflow, I tend to follow my instincts — and that’s the same approach I’d recommend to anyone working with this kind of material. That said, I’ve kept the first file, which includes my recording of birdsong. Since the original question was specifically about “Mixing level for music track in a music video”, I believe this thread has provided some valuable insights worth reflecting on. I’m especially grateful for the discussion about the R128 measurement method — I’ve come away with a clearer and more informed understanding of it. Quote
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