Jim Feeley Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 I'm not planning on buying this (or anything from Behringer). But this is coming. https://www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=0603-AFE Audio on the YouTube video isn't great... Quote
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 4 minutes ago, Jim Feeley said: I'm not planning on buying this (or anything from Behringer). But this is coming. https://www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=0603-AFE Audio on the YouTube video isn't great... Liked the early expletive and the dig at the director/producer Thanks for pointing it out Jim - I'd not have seen it for months I expect! Jez Quote
PMC Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Mmm, Filters, EQ, dynamics, 32-bit float, and AutoMix built in. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 Wow… some true marketing bs going on here. We’re not the audience obviously, but… yeah. I mean what’s up with that IO box? Quote
Johnny Karlsson Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 20 minutes ago, PMC said: For under $300 USD Finally something that goes for what producers *think* sound gear costs. And seems super reliable and great without having to worry about turning knobs, because it will be perfect automatically. On a more serious note, I think the race to the bottom is heavily promoted in this video. And it’s just depressing with the way things are already going at this time. “Yeah, let’s get this and some wireless from AliExpress and we can have the DP take care of sound and gaffer duties, (and apparently catering as well).” IDK, maybe it’s time to retire… Quote
Philip Perkins Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 By now I've done a lot of work with the Beh. Flow8 mixer, which came along at a very fortuitous moment for me. It is a very clever box that can do a great many things well in a tiny footprint (very carry-on-friendly) with, this being a Behringer product, next to no documentation or support. The Flow 8 has been used in what are the most fraught moments of my work with the dance company I work for: full up rehearsals with the full company, cameras and famous musician guest stars. I'm running a PA with basic effects, IEMs, multitrack recording and playback from a box about 5" x 7". I'd guess this new recorder departs from the same technology Beh developed for the Flow8, and figure they aren't done yet (like a long-awaited replacement to the X32 mixer). As with all things Behringer/Midas/Music Tribe, if you are lucky and get a good one then off you go on the cheap. (The Flow8 sounds quite good.). If you have a problem, need service, want info other than what the online community can help with: you are hosed. Anyone used to SD / Zax level of support (especially over the phone) would need to adjust their expectations drastically: you are on your own. I bet this recorder will be very popular, and I bet that pro users will be smart enough to know that they'd better be packing 2 of them on any gig of consequence. Quote
humbuk Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 I have no idea who such a device is for... not so much for sound engineers. The inappropriately chosen red color is probably the least of it. SD card without any protection. Power supply via USB-C. To start recording, you have to press REC twice. No gain control. I don't see any possibility to edit metadata. Unfortunately, this didn't work at all Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 I sure hope the audio in that video isn't representative of the audio quality in the recorder. If it is, it sounds like it could be those touted DACs ... I remember the Zoom H1 (a $100 'digital notes' style recorder) sounding that way. But for my money, the audio sounds heavily filtered in post. It's EQed for sure, and there's lots of signs of AI noise cleanup. I wonder if they've covered the voices with an Exciter plugin or something like that. I've noticed that inexperienced dialogue editors who come from the music world like to throw those plugins on by default ... I think they are expected as part of voice processing. Whatever is going on, I agree with Jim ... the audio doesn't sound great. Like Johnny says, it sounds like the race to the bottom. Quote
borjam Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 I have a hard time believing the specs. -130 dBu EIN at that price? And it looks like a Lego model of a MixPre. Quote
codyman Posted January 16 Report Posted January 16 I wonder how they are pulling 4 channels of audio over a single XLR connector for the expansion box given AES usually can only carry 2 over a single XLR. Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 Behringer has its own proprietary competitor for Dante. All digital, multiplexed. Though I noted that the range was short, so it sounds like it is somewhat limited over XLR. Quote
IronFilm Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 All in all this seems like a very cool product, basically "a modern Zoom F4"! I've been hammering on for years "where is the update to the Zoom F4?" (a "F4n"?) As I'd have loved to get a Zoom F4n! Because the F4 is not a true update to the F4, and the F4 had various benefits I liked over its big brother F8 https://www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=0603-AFE "We skipped the built-in battery on purpose. Fixed battery systems age quickly, while USB-C stays flexible and can be easily adapted to what you already own. Two recessed USB-C ports provide redundant, hot-swappable power from any USB-PD source, including power banks. A compatible power supply is included." That's crazy they don't have hirose to power this, or even a DC jack, but instead just USB! https://www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=0606-ADZ The optional FLOW 4VIO that adds to the recorder four additional dual-stage microphone preamps and two independent headphone outputs is pretty cool though (the combo setup would however be heavier than a Sound Devices 833, higher power consumption as well) 7 hours ago, Philip Perkins said: By now I've done a lot of work with the Beh. Flow8 mixer, which came along at a very fortuitous moment for me. https://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/product/1819630-REG/behringer_flow_8_8_in_digital_mixer_bluetooth_audio_app.html US$199??? That's crazy cheap even for Behringer! 7 hours ago, Philip Perkins said: It is a very clever box that can do a great many things well in a tiny footprint (very carry-on-friendly) with, this being a Behringer product, next to no documentation or support. At least we've got the quickstart guide for the Flow4V already which is fairly extensive: https://cdn.mediavalet.com/aunsw/musictribe/WZN169UOxE-CxMe1pln0ww/HBUz2xY-m06IJalUFZotCg/Original/QSG_BE_0603-AFE_0606-ADZ_FLOW4V_4VIO_WW.pdf I thought this was interesting: Because wait a second... can it record even more than 10 tracks??? 7 hours ago, Philip Perkins said: I bet this recorder will be very popular, and I bet that pro users will be smart enough to know that they'd better be packing 2 of them on any gig of consequence. Exactly. And even buying two of these will still be dirt cheap. And even you have "a pro recorder" you should always have a spare with you anyway (no matter if it is say an old 744T or a cheapie Zoom F8, or whatever) 6 hours ago, humbuk said: I don't see any possibility to edit metadata. I expect at launch this recorder will have a lot of shortcomings, but will be very interesting to revisit the Flow4V in a couple of years' time, once it is on v2.0 firmware (or even v3.0 or whatever it is up to). Heck, recall way back to say the original launch of the MixPre series vs what it is today after all the firmware updates! Is 100x better. 5 hours ago, inspire said: https://www.tascam.eu/en/fr-av4 869 € Tascam is going to have to drop their prices a lot to be competitive. But I'm kinda expecting that, Tascam has often had a big gap between launch RRP and street prices a few years later. (such as the DR60D / DR680 / HS-P82 / etc) 2 hours ago, codyman said: I wonder how they are pulling 4 channels of audio over a single XLR connector for the expansion box given AES usually can only carry 2 over a single XLR. Would be their own proprietary digital system? Not unusual for a stage box to have multiple channels running over a single cable. 16 minutes ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said: Behringer has its own proprietary competitor for Dante. All digital, multiplexed. Though I noted that the range was short, so it sounds like it is somewhat limited over XLR. Surprisingly the video said it is only 5m over a standard mic cable, but is longer with a DMX cable. And they've got range extenders too they mentioned in the video. Quote
PMC Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 " I think the race to the bottom is heavily promoted in this video. And it’s just depressing with the way things are already going at this time." I have to laugh out loud at this statement. I remember when I was the chief online editor at a production house in the late 80's and had Sony 1 inch machines, Beta SP, Grass switchers, routers, DAs VPE editors, a $58,000 Abacus A53 with warp ( yes a $58k box that only did one thing, kiddos), Paint Box, (anyone miss chasing SC phase?) etc., etc... and when the Avid Media Composer came out we scoffed at it. Four years later when it became good enough to call it 'near online quality' we bought one with the pizza box DVE for $110,000. Then the snot-nosed kids with a Mac laptop and a miniDV Camcorder started eating into the business. Not for broadcast but for industirals. Now, with Adobe Creative Suite, we can do for pennies what used to cost hundreds of thousands of dollars in dedicated boxes. But wait, it gets worse. Now I am losing After Effects clients to a new wave of snot-nosed kids using Sora 2. Change is constant and inevitable. if I was in the market for a backup location recorder I would pick one of these up. Okay, I get that It's Behringer but It's priced as an expendable, LOL. Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 8 minutes ago, PMC said: Then the snot-nosed kids with a Mac laptop and a miniDV Camcorder started eating into the business. Not for broadcast but for industirals. That was me! And yes, the march of progress goes on. I still think the video sounds bad though. Quote
PMC Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 "That was me!" The Documentry Sound Guy, you owe me so much in lost revenue, LMAO. And I owe the guy who shot and edited on film who I took work away from. Frankly, can I call you frank, I am only generating half of the revenue now than what I generated before COVID. Very depressed job market, producers asking for a long list of gear for a low cost or 12 hr days at a 10hr rate, etc. If I was just starting out I wouldn't buy any acquisition gear. I'd focus on computer generation media and be THAT snot-nosed kid. Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 2 hours ago, PMC said: you owe me so much in lost revenue I'll get my AI assistant to pay you. Quote
Patrick Tresch Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 On 1/16/2026 at 5:50 PM, Olle Sjostrom said: We’re not the audience obviously, but… I'd be interested to know how many on this forum will work with this type of equipment in the coming months. Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 17 Report Posted January 17 They'll capture the up-and-comers. And if it sounds good, the up-and-comers will keep using it when they are just comers. So the question is ... do the recorders sound like video (i.e. crap), or are the recorders fine and the video is a victim of over-exuberance in post? One of us needs to actually get our hands on it so we can listen to it with experienced ears. And if it sounds ok? Yeah, we'll see and hear them in the field, just like Zoom. Quote
Philip Perkins Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 22 hours ago, Patrick Tresch said: I'd be interested to know how many on this forum will work with this type of equipment in the coming months. If there is a need I will work with whatever tools I can get, especially since this sort of new tech makes what I already have much harder to sell. Quote
resonate Posted January 18 Report Posted January 18 Here's Curtis Judd's first look at it. The interface seems clunky, but the preamps have potential. I personally detest Zoom F8's sound....can spot it from a mile away. (Yes i know the producers do not hear the difference, i don't care - I do. And it's me hearing the tracks at the mix ) This, if similar to Behringer Wing, which i worked on, will sound much more natural. the first sound quality test at 21 minute mark, the second one (with a 150 ohm resistor) at 46 minute mark. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Clunkfest! also.. what’s up with the huge pan knob? If they’re somewhat targeted towards video recording, they should know panning is not even really necessary… not sure even podcast would be interested in that stuff.. Also, on a darker note, I’m kind of happy Jeff didn’t live to see the day Behringer entered our business. RIP Quote
The Documentary Sound Guy Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 I miss the pan-pots from my 442 mixer. It wasn't something I used a lot, but I do record stereo on occasion. But ... very far from an essential feature in an entry-level production mixer. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 I mean it’s not like it’s not needed, buying shouldn’t be that prominent.. Quote
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