Bouke Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 3 hours ago, The Documentary Sound Guy said: I miss the pan-pots from my 442 mixer. What purpose do they have except making monitoring different? (I have not looked at anything, but I do suspect it records 4 discrete channels, not?) Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 3 hours ago, Bouke said: What purpose do they have except making monitoring different? (I have not looked at anything, but I do suspect it records 4 discrete channels, not?) The 442 is "just a mixer" and has no recording capabilities. Quote
Bouke Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 1 hour ago, Olle Sjostrom said: has no recording capabilities. Doh! Sorry about that. But I'm missing the point then. Only for feeding into a cam in run and gun work? Quote
grawk Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 I don't see a pan pot on the flow 4v. I would assume the knob above the 4 input knobs is a rotary encoder for the menu. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 42 minutes ago, grawk said: I don't see a pan pot on the flow 4v. I would assume the knob above the 4 input knobs is a rotary encoder for the menu. Oh yeah it’s in the channel setup screen, very big on the screen . Like unnecessarily so. Ie not a pot 49 minutes ago, Bouke said: Doh! Sorry about that. But I'm missing the point then. Only for feeding into a cam in run and gun work? Yup, or recorder. 442 is an Eng-mixer from the early-mid 2000s. Very very good mixer Quote
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 10 hours ago, Olle Sjostrom said: ... the day Behringer entered our business. (clipped quote Olle, purely for my point) On 1/16/2026 at 4:30 PM, Jim Feeley said: I'm not planning on buying this (or anything from Behringer). But this is coming. If this is 'our business' the sad truth is that the business, and the world around it, has changed (and I'm no great summer blockbuster fan but I'll still say certainly for the worse). But Behringer is a music/creative business and produces affordable products for DIY / bedroom-production - whatever you want to call it - and now they've done the same for this self-creation digital culture in (the audio side of) picture. In 2009 (?) they bought Midas and Klark-Tecnik ... bringing mid range products (many probably discussed here for their usefulness in 'mid range' AV production) as well as keeping up the top end products for musical theatre etc etc. I don't see any real difference in Behringer making a product than Tascam (who once used the Teac name for their budget stuff), Zoom, Deity, whatever. This may look tackier, but it's even cheaper than the above offerings. Or Sound Devices producing the MixPre series. Is Avid Protools considered 'our industry' or another DIY tool? For a long time it has been both, one side feeding off the other, but our industry is definitely the weaker partner. We're a long way from the battles between RCA, Western Electric, Tobis-Klangfilm and the like. Maybe one day an old crotchety git will be looking fondly at their Mark 1 Flow4VIO the same way I look at my Nagra III. So it goes ... Jez Quote
cmgoodin Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 I watched the Curtis Judd first look video. I like Curtis's evaluations and instructional videos but I think he did a great disservice by not even looking at the quick start guide before unboxing and reacting to this in a live stream. Had he read through it for about 30 minutes before he opened the box he would have known that the display is a Touch Screen that can navigate the many menus with a simple touch or swipe. The encoder/selector knob is there to give you some more precise control but makes the user interface seem poorly designed if you only rely on it to navigate to all the sub menus as Curtis did in the video. A quick read of the Quick Start doc would have made the "First Look" go a lot smoother and have provided much more info about Time Code capabilities and recording info. When they finally become available to us mere mortals I may pick one up just to examine the File structure and metadata of the Broadcast wave files and accuracy of the TC generator. It seems that it records only in BWF Poly format but has an app that can split them into BWF Mono Iso channels. I think the SD card is only formatted in FAT 32 so may limit file size to 4GB. I will know more once I get my hands on one. Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 36 minutes ago, The Immoral Mr Teas said: If this is 'our business' the sad truth is that the business, and the world around it, has changed (and I'm no great summer blockbuster fan but I'll still say certainly for the worse). But Behringer is a music/creative business and produces affordable products for DIY / bedroom-production - whatever you want to call it - and now they've done the same for this self-creation digital culture in (the audio side of) picture. In 2009 (?) they bought Midas and Klark-Tecnik ... bringing mid range products (many probably discussed here for their usefulness in 'mid range' AV production) as well as keeping up the top end products for musical theatre etc etc. I don't see any real difference in Behringer making a product than Tascam (who once used the Teac name for their budget stuff), Zoom, Deity, whatever. This may look tackier, but it's even cheaper than the above offerings. Or Sound Devices producing the MixPre series. Is Avid Protools considered 'our industry' or another DIY tool? For a long time it has been both, one side feeding off the other, but our industry is definitely the weaker partner. We're a long way from the battles between RCA, Western Electric, Tobis-Klangfilm and the like. Maybe one day an old crotchety git will be looking fondly at their Mark 1 Flow4VIO the same way I look at my Nagra III. So it goes ... Jez Yes, you are correct. I’m also a bit of a hypocrite since I use Behringer products daily in my current job as a radio sound engineer. But my remark was also foreshadowing the probable fact that Behringer will try to bring in even larger recorders/mixers to market, trying to undercut even Zoom. Again, we (as in people who are already invested in pro gear) are not the target audience for this product. Quote
Jim Feeley Posted January 19 Author Report Posted January 19 3 hours ago, The Immoral Mr Teas said: I don't see any real difference in Behringer making a product than Tascam (who once used the Teac name for their budget stuff), Zoom, Deity, whatever.... I'm not an equipment or brand snob. I don't like the way Behringer/Music Tribe conducts business and harasses people. So I avoid their products. If I did a lot of live sound, though, avoiding their X32 mixer might make that difficult. Quote
Bouke Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 2 hours ago, Jim Feeley said: I don't like the way Behringer/Music Tribe conducts business and harasses people. That made for a 3 second google search and a few minutes of reading more than I anticipated. I'm with Jim. Quote
LDstudios Posted January 19 Report Posted January 19 Behringer is nothing like Tascam, Teac, Zoom, Deity, etc. Behringer has no moral compass at all. Remember the whole Devilfish saga? Uli offered an embarrassingly low lump sum cash payment for a 30 year old, highly sought after Roland TB-303 modification. The designer politely declined the offer... Then Uli took it anyway. Not just the modification. The Devilfish name too. There have always been pick-axe salesmen cashing in on the gold rush. It is very easy to sell dreams to dreamers. The prerequisite is merely having no scruples. Quote
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 Cheers Jim, Olle, Bouke and LD - I certainly wasn't criticising anyone's choices, loyalties and avoidances - heaven knows I avoid more and more these days. I wasn't aware Uli was such a xxxx in his business. I tend also to avoid the rainbow cycle billionaires but I should look into the Devilfish etc. Sadly I'm no longer particularly invested in the industry let alone the gear - I sometimes admire the Schoeps and the Sennheisers on my shelf for which I generate the same income as my Nagras, miles of cable and the box of Calrec console bits. I've liked talking to or with Deity and Zoom salespeople at the occasional trade fair - I own bits and pieces by both. I hope they have nice bosses! Jez Quote
Jim Feeley Posted January 20 Author Report Posted January 20 No worries. Ya, it gets tricky and I hardly have a perfect ethical-purchasing record. Quote
Philip Perkins Posted January 20 Report Posted January 20 I'll say it again: Beh products generally work well if you luck into a good one out of the box. Do not expect any sort of real support, advice, favors or mercy from them if things go wrong in any way. Quote
borjam Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 The bag they are announcing as well "looks" too similar to an Orca OR-270. I hope it is licensed or made by Orca Bags. https://www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=0607-AAE Quote
The Immoral Mr Teas Posted January 23 Report Posted January 23 4 hours ago, borjam said: The bag they are announcing as well "looks" too similar to an Orca OR-270. I hope it is licensed or made by Orca Bags. https://www.behringer.com/behringer/product?modelCode=0607-AAE ... "designed for long days on set" so you can factor in all the overtime pay before shelling out the extra 49 bucks Quote
Patrick Tresch Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 On Curtis video he talks about the dual gain architecture of the recorder. Isn't it infringing the Zaxcom neverclip patent? Quote
Olle Sjostrom Posted January 27 Report Posted January 27 I might have this wrong, but the dual AD idea is pretty old, I think a few large mixing consoles have been using some sort of dual ad for a few decades. Neverclip is however adapted for small recorders and transmitters, and there’s probably stuff going on under the hood that I can’t explain… But with 32 bit it’s sort of avoiding infringing the patent, because neverclip is for 24 bit. Which in my opinion has Zaxcom in an advantage, since 32 bit requires workflow changes… and it also works on wireless, which 32 bit doesn’t. Yet. Quote
Lucas Posted January 28 Report Posted January 28 Just curious about to what other timecode systems it can connect? It could be a very affordable masterclock Quote
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